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"I've been warned not to talk about it," the woman wrote, before revealing snippets of the day she says she was arrested for publishing gay erotica.

"I'll never forget it - being escorted to the car in full view, enduring the humiliation of stripping naked for examination in front of strangers, putting on a vest for photos, sitting in the chair, shaking with fear, my heart pounding."

The handle, Pingping Anan Yongfu, is among at least 8 in recent months which have shared accounts on Chinese social media platform Weibo of being arrested for publishing gay erotic fiction. As authors recounted their experiences, dozens of lawyers offered pro bono help.

At least 30 writers, nearly all of them women in their 20s, have been arrested across the country since February, a lawyer defending one told the BBC. Many are out on bail or awaiting trial, but some are still in custody. Another lawyer told the BBC that many more contributors were summoned for questioning.

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[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 131 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Ah yes, this is the democracy some people talk about

[–] blackbelt352@lemmy.world 57 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Authoritarians gonna authoritarian regardless of economic model.

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[–] ObtuseDoorFrame@lemmy.zip 19 points 23 hours ago

You forgot to put quotes around democracy.

[–] ProvableGecko@lemmy.world 14 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

Don't be silly, democracy is only when private companies do all encompassing AI powered surveillance.

If you’ve left a comment on a YouTube video, a new website claims it might be able to find every comment you’ve ever left on any video you’ve ever watched. Then an AI can build a profile of the commenter and guess where you live, what languages you speak, and what your politics might be.

According to the developer, they’ve provided the tool to cops in Portugal, Belgium, and “other countries in Europe.” They told 404 Media that the website is meant for private investigators, journalists, and cops. 

https://archive.md/buuA6

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 19 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Don't Chinese private mega corporations do this too?

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[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 13 hours ago

Now we only need to find a source of how many lgbtq+ fiction writers have been arrested in those same countries and we can proceed with the comparison.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Democracies can also ban porn. See: South Korea, India, Ukraine, Malaysia, Singapore, Mongolia, etc...

Its a conservatism issue.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 hours ago

You can add about a third of the USA at this post as well.

[–] oh_@lemmy.world 121 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

This will eventually be the U.S. if we don’t stop the erosion. Right now they are going after trans, brown people. They will turn attention after to others.

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 3 points 3 hours ago

Which is funny because I think most conservative and religious politicians are actually into gay sex.

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[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 76 points 19 hours ago (22 children)

But .ml communities promise meChina has mote free speech than the West! How is this possible?

/s

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 32 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Clearly, the BBC made it all up. Because it contradicts them. /s

Literally the newest top-level comment right now.

[–] PolydoreSmith@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago (6 children)

You don’t even have to be charged with anything before ICE grabs you off the street at throws you in a van in the US…

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 20 points 14 hours ago

Which is true for China as well

[–] FuckFascism@lemmy.world 19 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Yes it's fucking horrible, I have the misfortune of living in the US but the same goes for China, North Korea, Russia and I could go on.

[–] Tryenjer@lemmy.world 10 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Yeah, unfortunately the US is becoming more and more like China in this regard.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Can you connect these dots for me?

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[–] napkin2020@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 hours ago (5 children)

And I assume you wish the US to keep doing that because China is doing that and it's clearly working?

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[–] breecher@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago

Very typical .ml whataboutism. Both things can be bad at the same time. This is not a null sum game.

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[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 68 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

These authors are being accused of breaking China's pornography law for "producing and distributing obscene material". Writers who earn a profit could be jailed for more than 10 years.

The law targets "explicit descriptions of gay sex or other sexual perversions".

Jesus I thought there might have been some bullshit pretense, but apparently it's just straight-up illegal there.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 14 hours ago

China is not the West, haha. There's a reason we're suspicious of them.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 67 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

"The Chinese government wants to promote traditional family values and liking danmei novels is seen as a factor in making women less willing to have children," Dr Ge explains.

[–] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 41 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Man, it's wild to see them go from one-child to this in a single generation.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 39 points 18 hours ago

Overcorrection in policy is not uncommon in authoritarian regimes. I'd imagine because policy carries the threat of imprisonment, not just guidance.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 16 points 18 hours ago

The machine needs meat

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 22 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I generally want to have sex with my husband after reading erotica. You know, because it’s arousing. How did this not occur to them?

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 31 points 18 hours ago

How many straight men do you know who have a sound grasp on women’s sexuality?

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 36 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Yea... porn in illegal in China, erotic stories is just "word-porn" basically, this is nothing new.

This is what conservatism does. Same in China, same in the Deep South of the US (the only reason why porn is still legal-ish in the south is because of the first amendment, but the constitution is being eroded so that might not last long)

Conservatism is a disease that many countries still have. Take a look at this map:

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Porn being legal is mostly only a thing in the "western world".

Even if China has a liberal democracy like in the west, people would still elect conservatives. See democratic countries like: India, South Korea, Ukraine, Phillippines, Malaysia, they all made porn illegal despite being democratic.

I'm cisgender and probably straight (or asexual not sure tbh), but if I was trans or gay, my parents would've disowned me for being "mentally ill" and gave me zero inheritance. I mean, even currently with depression, my parents are already thinking about leaving me out of the will for being a "useless eater", imagine if I was LGBT. For context, parents are from Mainland, PRC, currently we're in the US, they are conservstives that just thinks everyone who's is depressed is either "faking it" or crazy psychopaths and/or "useless eaters". I hate my life.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

What "broad restrictions" is NZ and Australia under?

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 hours ago

Everything on the NZ list is illegal pretty much anywhere in the world though.

No golden showers for the Auzzies though.

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[–] Burnoutdv@feddit.org 33 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

I know nothing about Chinese child care, but reading that the government wishes for more child rearing, might it be that there are other systemic problems like no access to child care facilities, a culture that doesn't value women and people exhausted by long work days? I might have read that this is part of the root cause in korea. But sure, some gay novels might also be the reason for significant numbers. Overall the Chinese are somewhat known for pragmatic approaches, why chasing illusions in this case? The total number of readers and writers can't be that huge can't it?

[–] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 16 hours ago

This reflects a typical right wing approach to "increasing birthrates": Reinforcing """"traditional family values"""", vilifying defiance of gender norms and addressing anything but the root cause.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 12 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Overall the Chinese are somewhat known for pragmatic approaches, why chasing illusions in this case? The total number of readers and writers can't be that huge can't it?

Probably enlightened despotism giving way to regular despotism. Facing economic problems, and having shed all pretense of being socialist, the Chinese ruling class likely needs a scapegoat for the country's troubles.

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[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 9 points 21 hours ago

Maybe still effects of the one-child-policy times. It's probably much easier to punish people for having too many children than it is to incentivise having more.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Chinese child care is the adults going to work and the older generation (the grandparents) take care of the child.

Or sometimes my mother brought me to her workplace and I just sat there playing a video game on the portable dvd player thing with the games loaded on a dvd (or a cd, idk the difference) and with controllers attached to it. (She worked at an electronics store as a salesperson).

My parents were in an arranged marriage (the consensual type, I think, but there was high pressures to enter into a marriage), and they argue a lot.

When we first immigrated to the US, my maternal grandparents weren't part of the "immediate" family, so they weren't allowed on the immigration visa, my paternal side of the family (who are already in the US) didn't like the responsibility of taking care of us (unlike my maternal side of the family), so my older brother who was around age 13-15 at the time when we first arrived, had to pick me up from school, and he resented having this responsibility, my brother didn't really like me, we were frienemies (now, present day, actual enemies).

But eventually, like around 6th grade I just walked home by myself. Most of the time, the house was empty (other than my brother). I barely talked with my parents, never had real emotional connections with them.

Childcare in China isn't that different from the US. (Well... in the US, kids get like a small child credit in their parent's tax returns, and some food stamps, but that's about it) The lower class is really very similar regardless of country. We the lower class people have more in common with each other than we do with the rich that runs our respective countries.

(If you are confused at the "Older Brother" part, my mother "illegally" gave birth to me. Then they sterilized her to make sure she can't violate the one child policy again. I was literally not even supposed to be born.)

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[–] boblemmy@lemmy.world 14 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

The background of the matter transcends conflicts over gender concepts. In recent years, many local governments have been unable to cover their expenses, resulting in a phenomenon known as "distant sea fishing" (远洋捕捞), which refers to "profit-driven law enforcement," aimed at plundering money from other places. These female writers are just a tiny fraction of the victims. There are also well-known entrepreneurs who have lost their lives due to such extortion.

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[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You know this is bad when even Hexbear isn't defending it. https://hexbear.net/post/5403841

LGBT rights are human rights, everywhere.

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