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[–] blah3166@piefed.social 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Here's a list of reasons why you should consider moving to Signal , if you haven't already:

  • End-to-End Encryption (E2EE) by Default : Signal uses the Signal Protocol, which is considered the gold standard for E2EE. This means that all your messages, calls (voice and video), and file sharing are encrypted on your device before they leave and can only be decrypted by the intended recipient's device. Not even Signal can read your communications. This is a crucial differentiator from many other apps (like Telegram, which doesn't encrypt all chats by default, or WhatsApp, which collects metadata).
  • Zero Data Collection (No Metadata) : Signal is designed to collect as little user data as possible. They don't store information about who you talk to, when you talk, your contacts, group memberships, or even your profile ID. This means even if subpoenaed, Signal has almost no user data to provide, in fact all they can provide is the date + time you registered with the service and the last day (not time) one of your clients pinged their servers. Other apps, including WhatsApp, collect significant metadata, which can reveal patterns about your communication even if the content is encrypted.
  • Open Source and Audited : Signal's code is completely open-source, allowing security experts and the public to inspect it for vulnerabilities and ensure its integrity. This transparency fosters trust and makes it highly resistant to hidden backdoors or malicious features.
  • Non-Profit Organization : Signal is run by the Signal Foundation, a non-profit organization funded by donations. This means there are no commercial interests, no ads, and no pressure to sell user data for revenue, unlike many commercially driven messaging apps.
  • Phone Number Privacy (Usernames) : While Signal historically required a phone number for registration, it now offers the option to communicate via usernames, allowing you to connect with people without revealing your phone number.
  • Relay Calls : For voice and video calls, you can opt to "relay" your calls through Signal's servers, which helps hide your IP address from the other party.
  • Standard Messaging Features: Signal offers all the core features you'd expect from a modern messaging app, including text messaging, group chats, voice and video calls (both individual and group), file sharing, and voice messages.
  • Cross-Platform Availability : Signal is available on Android, iOS, Windows, macOS, and Linux.
  • User-Friendly Interface : Despite its strong focus on security, Signal maintains an intuitive experience, removing the barrier to entry for anyone who isn't technically inclined.
[–] Tabula_stercore@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

From Signal's terms and conditions

Other instances where Signal may need to share your data

To meet any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request.

If i understand correctly, their servers are in the usa. So the usa government has the same level of access as compared to whatsapp? It's non profit now, but so was openai...

WhatsApp is definitely taking a step in the wrong direction. However, switching to another app is difficult, it's hard to get people ingrained in an ecosystem switch once let alone twice....

[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Any company operating in any country has to comply with their laws. The difference is that Signal has almost no data to share to comply. Message content and metadata is encrypted so they have no access to it. Your phone number is the only identifier they have and would be obligated by law to share.

[–] blah3166@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

their servers are in the usa.

Their "home office" is in the US. That doesn't necessarily mean they don't have servers distributed globally.

So the usa government has the same level of access as compared to whatsapp?

No, the US government does not have the same level of access to Signal as they do with Whatsapp. The only reason the US has so much access to Whatsapp is because Whatsapp only bothered to implement End-to-end encryption (E2EE). Unfortunately, in 2205, E2EE is the bare minimum. E2EE via the Signal protocol has been a "solved issue" since 2013 and Whatsapp implemented it 3 years later (great!) but they have not improved privacy since. Whatsapp still collects a metric-fuck-ton of metadata like:

  • Who you communicate with
  • When you communicate
  • How long your calls last
  • The frequency of communication
  • When you're "active" on the platform
  • Group memberships and group titles
  • Your profile information (this is E2EE on Signal)
  • Your contacts get uploaded in a way that's visible to Whatsapp. Signal does contact discovery in a privacy preserving way.

Then they correlate this data with everything else they have about you to "fill in the gaps". Signal doesn't collect any metadata.

It's non profit now, but so was openai...

The difference here is there's nothing of value for Signal to "sell" since they don't collect metadata and have engineered it to work without being able to see anything. The Signal server and client are already open source, there's no "secret sauce". Lastly, because they collect zero data they can't even sell it for ad-serving purposes. Who would buy Signal?

switching to another app is difficult, it's hard to get people ingrained in an ecosystem switch once let alone twice

100% agree. The best way I've found is to drop the offending platform (whatsapp) and move to Signal. Let others know you accept text/SMS or Signal messages. Over the years the people on Signal (at least in my group) has steadily grown.

I would like to close by saying that Signal is not shy about complying with the law, they will not go to prison for anyone's potential crimes. That said, they publish the data they provide when compelled by law and the only data they collect is the day + time you signed up with their service and the last day (not time) one of your clients pinged their servers, source: https://signal.org/bigbrother/

[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

This is the correct response to slop like that.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If the AI could help me decipher what the emoji mean that would be legit helpful

[–] GoobyMcMooby@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

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✝️

4️⃣

🧑‍🦲

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Edit: Too Catholic For Head

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 2 points 2 days ago

2 + 4 = a six year old child

Got it, thank you!

[–] BagOfHeavyStones@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I thought it was a weird version of Elton John's Too Low For Zero.

[–] GoobyMcMooby@lemmy.zip 1 points 21 hours ago

✌️🪫🕓0️⃣

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think there is an entire meme genre about Apple AI notification summaries and the sometimes hilarious results.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/12/24289939/apple-intelligence-ai-notification-summaries-awkward-funny-bad

This will be about the same.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 3 points 1 day ago

Most messages are so short I don't see why you'd need a summary. Are people that poor at reading that like 10 sentences is a struggle? If so, education seems like what we should spend millions of dollars on.

So is this the reason that I see massive full page ads saying that WhatsApp is secure? They are worried that introducing ai will make everyone worried it can read all the messages? Or is it that just that they now have a way to read your messages?

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

Uh hunh. "Friends & family", surrre. 🤣😶