I have a workaround for that! Take out your phone and search for a hidden app called "phone" (should be pre-installed). There should be a "keypad" tab. There you can type in the pin from muscle memory to get the actual numbers.
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except phone keypads and computer keypads are inverted.
except phone keypads and computer keypads are inverted.
True.
But this isn't about computer keybads, but ATM keypads and they are the same as my phone keypad.
You are correct. I was assuming they'd be more like 10-keys. Google images shows they're usually in the phone orientation.
Maybe the calculator would be similar?
I one time opened netflix to do this
You're out of luck if you need the letters though, because phones and PIN keypads don't have the same letters on the same numbers.
I remeber letter on keypads when I was like 14 and using sms on a keypad to text my girlfriend on a Nokia phone. Why are you still using that?
I used to be able to type out a full text with my phone barely opened in my pocket in class, certainly can't do that with touchscreens 😅
These days I can type pretty fast on a touchscreen but I do sometimes miss the old days of unique flip phones compared to the boring slabs of glass we get now.
Helps remembering pins
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0118-999-881-999-119-7253 on phone layout
I'll just put this with all the other fire.
I installed an NFC door reader at work. You can add a backup pin. But the reader is tall and it's only two rows so you get
9 3
8 7
2 6
5 1
4 0
it's HIGHLY infuriating to find the numbers for some reason
So you're saying this whole thing is your fault.
Yes, it absolutely was; But I blame the door company that I was with for a decade, that ghosted me for a month until it was too late for me to get anyone else to install before we re-opened.
They came out, quoted, said it was a 1 day easy job reducing 2 floors to 1. Just moving the controller and they had nothing on the books. Then poof. Called them tech, the dispatch, left messages with the Secretary.
Unifi door controllers are kinda of annoying, but they work, they're simple to install, and they cost me $0 per month instead of $250.
I pretended I was entering my PIN on it, got annoyed, and gave up.
Yeah, I don't know what it is, It's random every time but there's just something so unnatural about the two column... Maybe we're just so trained for 3x4 pads...
How irresponsible. I almost forgot mine seeing this.
I accidentally learned someone's PIN number here, and immediately forgot my mother's name.
Runescape has trained me for this
Brilliant! I wish my #bank 's #ATM was like this!
Right now, I have to cover my PIN-entering hand with my other hand, and then do a whole bunch of fake button presses, in order to hopefully confuse any hidden cameras. Hopefully. Maybe. It's absolutely maddening, and it probably isn't actually secure because real button presses require more force than fake ones.
If only the keypad was randomized like this, entering my #PIN securely would be easy. 😭
Why mix up all the numbers, but not numbers 9, 5 and 6?
If the randomizer algorithm isn't allowed to leave any numbers in their original position, it sacrifices a tiny bit of security and a tiny bit of processing power, and a tiny bit of disk space, for no real benefit.
Yeah it's like how the optimal cypher was like 11 swaps
OPs PIN is 9565
More like 6969 and the 5 is a red herring
Red herring's watch from the corner?
They get to sit in the special red herring chair
The one with the turn-down lid.
I never seen atm does this as they all have physical keypad, only those card machine. We have to tell customer that it's randomised and explain the security advantage to them, which they will understand.
6 and 9 are in the right place, you are fine.
Are you hitting on me? 🥺👉👈
Only with your consent.
Because otherwise the cops get called when I get that good hit in.
That's the hardest 12345 I've inserted in my entire life
Never fear, citizen! It wasn't really ever your money, anyhow! 😁
I don't understand. Is the joke that the person's PIN is actually just "2" because they hit "x" and it cleared everything that came before it?
The joke is someone remembers PIN by pattern/muscle memory and is baffled when the keypad is randomised and numbers aren't where they should be.
Ahhh, wow. I really missed that one. Thanks for the explanation.
I don't think I've ever encountered an ATM that's scrambled the keypad before. That would truly trip me up
