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[–] zieg989@awful.systems 255 points 2 days ago (17 children)

I am surprised at how many people do not get it. In military you cannot not comply with the orders, especially whan there is clearly nothing criminal with it. The guys doing sloppy marching is pretty much the only agency they have and the only way to protest and boycot that ridiculous parade.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 124 points 2 days ago

This. NATO has us troops stationed all over europe. They marched just fine during european parades.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 63 points 1 day ago

Malicious compliance

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[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 176 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think the way they marched says more about trump than it does their ability to march. I very much doubt they forgot how to do it.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 96 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Like riding a bike. Those soldiers were doing their best to sham in plain sight and right in front of that bloated tangerine, I’ve never been so proud of the E-4 mafia in my life.

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[–] loaf@sh.itjust.works 149 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The way the marines, in particular, marched… no. That was sloppy and looked intentional.

[–] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 104 points 2 days ago (2 children)

it was intentional… they also didn’t look at or salute the Dump when he stood to salute them, under the giant Coinbase signs….

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 27 points 2 days ago (4 children)

A real President, sponsorships notwithstanding.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lol he did approach his problem with science and eventually was happy with the solution, but in the interim he also sentenced the person that proposed the scientific solution to death against gladiator and only changed his tune when someone illegally filmed the unexpected plant growth so 5/10

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[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean, if they'd been ordered eyes right and present arms, they would've.

But they probably didn't plan for him to salute so no one knew what to do and just walked on by.

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[–] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Saw a short video of an ex drill instructor saying your first week in boot besides getting oriented and shit was learning to march. You dont ever forget it. That if it starts getting sloppy, the seargent or whatever starts saying left, right, left to coordinate again. The guy said it was very intentional .

[–] Weirdfish@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

I learned to march in basic in '96, I promise you it stays w you.

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[–] xiii@lemmy.world 140 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 68 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Given that Fortunate Son was playing as one of the songs...

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago

Fucking of course it was.

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 day ago

Or they did it as protest instead of not caring. Some might have cared a lot.

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 27 points 1 day ago

Glad he owned up to the mistake.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 95 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

From what I'm hearing from coordinators and people inside its not that they can't march. It's that nobody wanted to. They had to be there. So they phoned it in. Malicious compliance.

Like the squeaky tanks. That was a choice made in the motor pool. They could have greased them up and tested to make sure they were smooth. But they made a different call.

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 78 points 1 day ago (5 children)

They deliberately half-assed the parade because they don't like the way Trump treats them. Trump calls them "suckers and losers." He cuts their benefits Why would you show any loyalty (or enthusiasm) to someone who treats you like that?

More Trump quotes: "You fucking generals. Why can't you be more like Hitler's generals?" 2017

On the burial of US Army private Vanessa Guillén: "It doesn't cost 60,000 bucks to bury a fucking Mexican!" December 4, 2020. Trump has denied having made the remark.

"We're not going to support that loser's funeral." August, 2018. Trump has denied having made this remark.

re: John McCain, who was captured and tortured for five years: "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured, okay? I hate to tell you." July 18, 2015.

"But, you know, during the Vietnam War, I got very lucky. I had a very high lottery number." November 9, 1995.

On the 1,800 US Marines who died at Belleau Wood in France during World War I "Suckers." November 11, 2018. Trump denies having made this remark.

On US soldiers in World War I "Who were the good guys in this war?" November 11, 2018. Trump denies having asked this question.

"I don't get it. What was in it for them?" November 11, 2018. Trump denies having made this remark.

On disabled veterans "Why do you bring people like that here? No one wants to see that, the wounded." September 30, 2019.

"Look, I don't want any wounded guys in the parade. This doesn't look good for me." Summer 2017.

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[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 68 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I was only in marching band. 25 years later, I promise I could still do it with zero practice. This was on purpose.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago (8 children)

If you were in marching band, there's a good possibility that you had more thorough training in marching than what's given in basic training, especially if you went to competitions. Marching makes up like half the activity of marching band (it's in the name). Marching is only one of a plethora of things that are taught during the few months of basic training, and once you're out of basic, you may never have to march again.

I also think your expectations on how rhythmically-inclined the average person (or soldier) is might be on the high side based on your experience in an activity with a bunch of highly rhythmically-inclined people.

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[–] Kompressor@lemmy.world 68 points 2 days ago

The entire thing screamed humiliation display more than anything else. And the anything else was like a half assed shitty commercial for military equipment. They had actual soldiers playing dress up for no fucking reason while wasting a fuck ton of money the VA could’ve used. Just despicable all around.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 57 points 2 days ago (3 children)

At least Trump seemed not to enjoy any of it, so hopefully we can put this whole stupid episode behind us, and move on to the next stupid episode.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)
  1. Trump wanted this for a decade
  2. They put on this ridiculous thing
  3. Trump isn't pleased; obviously uncomfortable

Why the hell did they do this then?

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

He didn't want it because he thought he would personally enjoy it, he wanted it because he thought it would make him look badass to the other dictators he's always trying so hard to impress and emulate.

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[–] blackstampede@sh.itjust.works 55 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Story time, boys and girls.

When I joined the Army and went to basic training, one of the first things they did was show us how to stand at attention, at-ease, right face, left face, and about face. Then they turned the training unit and marched off.

And then stopped and screamed at us for marching like Nazis.

Turns out, you don't see US soldiers marching like that because it's stupid as hell, and you can't do it for twenty miles with a rucksack. The US military for all their many, many faults, is real good at war, and marching like a toy soldier doesn't help you do war.

So we learned how to march like Americans, which is much more casual. The only thing you've gotta do is make sure you match the stride length of the soldier in front of you, but even that is more of a suggestion than a hard rule. We got good, though, because we were assholes.

We would ease out behind someone who was walking somewhere and roughly the same height, and step slightly faster than the person in front of us, until we were close behind them. Then you perform a little skip at the last second to get back to the same stride and close the last few inches. The end result is that your chest is hovering about an inch from their back, your nose is an inch from the back of their head, and your hands are swinging right behind theirs. While walking at full speed.

You haven't had a jump scare until you've marched two blocks, turned your head, and glimpsed someone's face an inch from your own.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The US military for all their many, many faults, is real good at war, and marching like a toy soldier doesn't help you do war.

The point of a uniformed service is to show your enemy that you have control and command over people who will follow your orders. Demonstrating this lowers your enemy's will to fight back. It gets soldiers on the other side to think "If these guys are so organized that they march in unison, we don't stand a chance."

These military parades are no longer valuable except to authoritarians. Normal functioning democracies don't use national military forces to project power. They do so using diplomacy and other political methods.

But Trump, Kim Jung Un, Modi, and Putin all use it to flex their authority to their base.

It will not surprise me if in the next year, a new division in the army is created for parade duty for the president's birthday where next year their marching will be perfect.

All so that Trump can get his dick hard.

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[–] troglodytis@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The band played "Fortunate Son". They all knew exactly what they were doing.

If shit ever does hit the fan full send (I very much doubt it) he doesn't have the army.

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[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago (4 children)

They didn't want to attract the worm.

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[–] wpb@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (14 children)

When has the US military defended the nation? I got the impression that they're mostly used for invading foreign countries for financial gain, cf Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Yugoslavia, Sudan, Panama, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Cuba, Guatemala, Korea.

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[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 30 points 2 days ago (12 children)

They can dEfEnD oUr NaTiOn against brown peasants, but can't march in step because they apparent forget how to do so after basic training? Shit, it's been over 20 years since my military service and I'm 100% sure I could still manage to march in step

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 65 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

That may be; but how many of those people just didn't fucking care because of the dress and deportment of leadship?

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 41 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I mean personally I think that's more likely to be the real reason – they mostly looked they just didn't give a flying fuck and didn't want to be there.

I just find these justifications of "well they're busy defending our nation so they don't learn marching" idiotic

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[–] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I just think it's odd that they're not wearing class A's or even B's

When I was in 20+ years ago they didn't even want us stopping for gas off-post in our BDU's on the way home from work

Wearing white parade gloves in that uniform also just looks weird

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 days ago

I would bet money that this was a protest of their own. They didn't want to be shown as North Koreans and be used as a tool like that. I appreciate what they did.

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[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 day ago (5 children)

"Defend our nation" by starting wars to keep rich people rich?

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

“A serious problem in planning against American doctrine is that the Americans do not read their manuals, nor do they feel any obligation to follow their doctrine.”
– Soviet observation during the Cold War

[–] DaGeek247@fedia.io 27 points 2 days ago (3 children)

So, the tweet isn't entirely true; my experience in the army was that we very much did irregularly do marches together, even after basic training. Every few months or so the battallion or brigade leadership would get an idea about a 'fun run' or whatever, and the start of those is always a march together. It inevitably switched to running together, but there was definitely a quick refresher on walking in step together on a regular basis.

What the tweeter missed is that there's tricks that every leadership command knows to do if they want a formation to look good.

If you wanted to put a military parade on that actually looked good you'd do a couple things prior to running it. You'd tell your various units to have a competition for who does it best, and you'd put up a basic-ass award for the winners and runners up. This ensures that any ladder climbers go out and find all the people who are actually good at this to put together a small super squad of people who actually know what they're doing. You then have them compete, and you pick the units that did the best to lead your parade.

We actually did this in basic training; my drill sgts had a little demonstration where they put the people good at keeping time together and the people bad it together. It was damn impressive how much of a difference just doing that made. One or two bad marchers can ruin a whole formation with their lack of timing.

None of this was done; at best they practiced for pt for a couple weeks before the event, but even that is iffy. They likely didn't bother to filter the parade members who can't march out, and that'd be good enough to turn this into a herd instead of a formation.

This doesn't rule out malicious compliance at all though; again, one or two bad marchees doing their best (or worst) job can completely throw off the timing of everybody behind and next to them. Same way as counting wrongly out loud can throw off someone trying to count up to 50.

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If I could march in a brass band after very limited practice, these guys can. They just didn’t want to.

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[–] TomMasz@piefed.social 24 points 2 days ago

My volunteer fire department was able to march in sync in parades despite having enjoyed a few adult beverages beforehand. What the Army did had to be deliberate.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 20 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Eeehh, so yes, after basic i did not march anywhere really. And you do need to brush up on it to keep in the swing of things…. But honestly, you know your unit is going to march in a parade months in advance, and for better or worse are going to represent the armed forces, you schedule mandatory training time.

Is it wasteful? Arguably under normal circumstances, definitely under this circumstance.

So i can only conclude that either they did not care, or do care a lot, or someone who was supposed to plan this fucked up and they just grabbed people.

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