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This was not inevitable. This is a war Israel chose. It could have been prevented. Diplomatic talks were ongoing when the bombers took off for Iran. Israel’s continuing, illegal, unjustified airstrikes are unlikely to achieve their stated aim – permanently ending Tehran’s presumed efforts to build nuclear weapons – and may accelerate it. They must stop now. Likewise, Iran must halt its retaliation immediately and drop its escalatory threats to attack US and UK bases.

This conflict is not limited, as was the case last year, to tit-for-tat exchanges and “precision strikes” on a narrow range of military targets. It’s reached a wholly different level. Potentially nothing is off the table. Civilians are being killed on both sides. Leaders are targets. The rhetoric is out of control. With Israel fighting on several fronts, and Iran’s battered regime backed against a wall, the Middle East is closer than ever to a disastrous conflagration.

Reasons can always be found to go to war. The roots of major conflicts often reach back decades – and this is true of the Israel-Iran vendetta, which dates to the 1979 Islamic revolution. The so-called “shadow war” between the two intensified in recent years. Yet all-out conflict had been avoided, until now. So who is principally to blame for this sudden, unprecedented explosion?

Answer: three angry old men whose behaviour raises serious doubts about their judgment, common sense, motives and even their sanity.

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[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 88 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Don't forget Putin...

Fuck thes old, power-hungry war-mongering pieces of excrement. Their death will be celebrated by millions.

Please put an age restriction on politicians, it would solev sooo much nonsense.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 18 points 1 day ago

Please put an age restriction on politicians, it would solev sooo much nonsense.

Yeah, people who are young enough to actually have to worry about the future.

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

Putin is by far the worst one.

Neither Netanyahu nor Khamenei have the capacity for war the way the other 2 have.

And Putin already has achieved what Trump wants to achieve: being a dictator with full control of the state.

Oh how much the world would improve if all 4 of them suddenly get a bullet between the eyes.

[–] shroomato@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

They would immediately get replaced with someone just as bad if not worse. The world has an endless supply of power hungry warmongering assholes.

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Please put an age restriction on politicians, it would solev sooo much nonsense.

While I partially agree on this, let's consider some cases:

  • Hitler's reign 1933-1945, his age: 44-56
  • Stalin 1922-1952, age 44-74
  • Putin 2000-?, age 48-?
  • Pol Pot 1963-1981, age 38-56
  • Louis XIV 1643-1715, age 5-77 or 16-77 if you count coronation as the start (sacre bleu jesus fuck)
  • Xi Jinping 2012-?, age 59-?

Youth is clearly not enough. Age limit + term limit might be a useful combination, but it all falls down when you allow somebody to just grab all power anyway and reset all the rules and limits, like Putin and Xi Jinping have done.

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[–] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

Grumpy old men.

[–] colonelsharki@lemmy.world 57 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Khamenei maybe an angry old man considering his country is facing an existential threat but Netanyahu is a wanted war criminal and Trump is a rapist with nefarious ties to the notorious Epstein

[–] FreeBird@lemmy.dbzer0.com 54 points 1 day ago (21 children)

My Iranian ass spending minutes to get my VPN working so I can access lemmy and watch people whitewash the man responsible for all my misery only to shit on Netanyahu and Trump:

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[–] KumaSudosa@feddit.dk 8 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Stop pretending like Khamenei isn't a criminal. He's not just an angry old man because they're "facing an existential threat" he's a fuckwad through and through and no Iranian would shed a tear if he was shelled. Israel certainly started this iteration of the conflict but Khamenei and the regime has a rap sheet far longer than Trump's.

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[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

damn they just pretend the UK is not the country that fuel Jets over Iraq to facilitate the bombing. Or it is not the UK base in Cyprus and vessels that provide a command center and communication tool to facilitate the mission.

If you want to attack Iran and accelerate to a wwiii don't shy from telling the truth about your involvement, we know it, you know it ...

[–] redlemace@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] doo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

He's too busy begging these three for help.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 26 points 1 day ago (8 children)
[–] Saleh@feddit.org 14 points 1 day ago (15 children)

So far also Iran only matched target groups after Israel targeted them first. E.g. Israel strikes MoD offices in Tehran -> Iran strikes back at the MoD in Tel Aviv. Israels strikes Iranian gas and electrical infrastructure -> Iran strikes back at Israeli Gas and electrical infrastructure.

Iran doesn't want this war and keeps reiterating to go back to diplomacy, however the US and multiple G7 countries, especially UK, France and Germany are rattling the sabres more, defending Israels onslaught while condemning Irans responses. These countries claiming they would seek a diplomatic solution makes for rather cynical lies when they cover the attacker and condemn the defender.

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[–] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

False equivalencies.

[–] Crankenstein@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

The Zygon Inversion - A Transcript of The Doctor's Speech [edited for brevity]

The Doctor: You just want cruelty to beget cruelty. You're not superior to people who were cruel to you. You're just a whole bunch of new cruel people. A whole bunch of new cruel people, being cruel to some other people, who'll end up being cruel to you. The only way anyone can live in peace is if they're prepared to forgive. Why don't you break the cycle?

Bonnie: Why should we?

The Doctor: What is it that you actually want?

Bonnie: War.

The Doctor: Ah. And when this war is over, when -- when you have the homeland free from humans, what do you think it's going to be like? Do you know? Have you thought about it? Have you given it any consideration? Because you're very close to getting what you want. What's it going to be like? Paint me a picture. Are you going to live in houses? Do you want people to go to work? What'll be holidays? Oh! Will there be music? Do you think people will be allowed to play violins? Who will make the violins? Well? Oh, You don't actually know, do you? Because, just like every other tantruming child in history, Bonnie, you don't actually know what you want. So, let me ask you a question about this brave new world of yours. When you've killed all the bad guys, and it's all perfect and just and fair, when you have finally got it exactly the way you want it, what are you going to do with the people like you? The troublemakers. How are you going to protect your glorious revolution from the next one?

. . .

The Doctor: This is a scale model of war. Every war ever fought right there in front of you. Because it's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken! How many lives shattered! How much blood will spill until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning -- sit down and talk! Listen to me, listen. I just -- I just want you to think. Do you know what thinking is? It's just a fancy word for changing your mind.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Angry old men ... ruling the biggest countries in the world .. and all of them not caring what they are going to do or not do because they're going to be dead or senile or incapable to do anything within the next ten years.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

blaming the top government officials only is stupid. Thet completelyignore that they got voted in and have majority support among their population. At least Iran has less of a choice, and even then was negotiating a deal and agreed to one in the past!

[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Ah yes, blame all three even though its been clearly israel and Netanyahu who have been beating the war drums for 30+ years. Israel has been talking about Iran developing a nuke for 30 years and saying that "its around the corner". Israel did the same with Iraq btw and dragged the US to war.

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Peak liberal both sidesism. Desperately clinging to the illusion that USA good, Iran bad. This is a big part of why we have genocide against palestinians and trump in office.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago

Where did you read "USA good" in that post?

[–] nyamlae@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago

Desperately clinging to the illusion that USA good

You are either being dishonest or have bad reading comprehension. The OP clearly labels Trump as part of the problem, alongside Netanyahu and Khameini. They also blame Israel for escalating with Iran when talks were still ongoing. They are not saying what you claim they are.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 16 points 1 day ago

Likewise, Iran must halt its retaliation immediately and drop its escalatory threats to attack US and UK bases.

Apparently defending yourself is the peak of insanity now.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 11 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

You forgot the worst one: Putin, age 72 years.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 11 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Great man theory nonsense. Was Netanyahu in power during the Sabra and Shatila massacre? During the Nakba? During the June 1967 war? Was Trump president when the US invaded Iraq? Was he president when the US sent billions of dollars in military aid to Israel to commit their genocide with? It's the countries, not the leaders. They're just the personification of a system. You could shoot each of these men in the head today, and nothing would change.

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[–] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This article is fine, but kind of superfluous.

We get it. Everyone can see this. If you don't have actionable advice or some additional insight, you're really just reporting that water is wet.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Unfortunately not everyone is aware that water is wet. And often there are groups who try and convince people otherwise.

I agree that more ideas need to be put into action that can actually accomplish change for the better, but that requires that people be informed first.

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[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

This freaking assholes are going to do the thing that the last string of Putin's morality didnt allow him to do and give a white card to any future psycopath to use nuclear weapons.

Russia and the USA created this monsters. We need to deweaponize the fuck out of all of them before it is to late.

[–] Naevermix@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

you know it's bad when western MSM is both-siding it

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