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From ‘eh’ to ‘meh’? Pride and attachment to country in Canada endure significant declines - (angusreid.org)
submitted 6 months ago by Jamablaya@lemmy.world to c/canada@lemmy.ca
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Figured as much. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/angus-reid-poll-canadian-pride-1.7425408

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[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Jesus christ, we're still polling on values like nationalistic pride? Don't get me wrong, we're not doing awesome right now, but fervent, aimless pride in the piece of rock I was born on isn't something I value.

Actually, after reading the article: the collective response for "I have a deep emotional attachment to my country" and "I am attached to my country as long as it continues to provide a decent quality of life" was 84% in 1991, and is 81% as of the most recent poll. People are just substantially more inclined to agree with the latter. So we've moved away from blind, fervent nationalism, and instead recognize that the goal of the state should be to provide a good quality of life for it's citizens, and agree that Canada is doing a good job of this.

...fucking good? Nationalism is down, and satisfaction with our country remains the same. This is a win, and it's kind of insulting that the headline, and discussion here, tries to suggest otherwise.

[–] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Miss the point some more. Patriotism/Nationalism is directly related to whether or not there's any regard for the government, federal in particular. That's gone. You are a direct result of the "post national state" someone wanted to build. You wanna know what happens when nationalism really tanks? YOu get guys like me that could seriously care less if the states took over tommorow, one eastern bullshit federal government is the same as another

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I'm believe your the one who has missed the point. The data provided is being misinterpreted to suggest that Canadians are in some way disgusted by their country. A closer look at the data reveals that this is not true. They just believe that the state is responsible to them, rather than the other way around. Again, the percentage of people who value their country has not changed much, so it's not "Canada" that anyone is upset with.

I'm not sure why you feel so strongly about attaching your personal value to a national identity. You are more than the piece of dirt you were born on. You don't need to attach your entire conceptualization of self to the happenstance of your birth.

This whole self-loathing thing seems like something you should be looking inward to fix, not something you should be looking to your government to fix for you.

[–] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Canadians are disgusted by their country, go talk to some. I'm gonna give the rest of that the respect it deserves by ignoring it.

[–] i_love_FFT@jlai.lu 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Anyone who's not at least a bit disgusted by their own country needs to learn more about their country's history.

Fuck the Catholic Church and old Canadian governments creating boarding school for indigenous people! It's impossible to be blindly proud of Canada, but it's still an awesome country.

[–] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No. It isn't. I don;t know why it is so hard to distinguish that the country is the government, The people are just people.

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Because that's simply not true. A country is not its government. Look at literally any revolution in the entirety of human history and that's an obvious fact. The peoples, the cultures, the social norms that give a country the distinct feel that defines what it is survives beyond any given government.

The Canadian government works for, or at least is supposed to work for, Canada. It is not Canada in of itself. I'm so sorry that you feel so disenfranchised that you seem to believe otherwise, but we collectively decide what out country is. No elected official gets to decide it for us.

[–] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This one is. We don't even have a culture, they made sure of that.

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

You've got a lot of vague disdain for the state of Canada, but offer next to nothing when it comes to specific issues. Who is "they," and what culture is it that you perceive "they" have taken from us?

[–] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Gee. I wonder why that is. Maybe I've explained at length and you're kinda fucking stunned to be asking that at this point.

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

You certainly have not explained anything beyond showing a vague hatred for the government, and a deeply held belief that they're somehow responsible for killing any sense of a national body. Perhaps you've explained yourself in detail in another conversation, but I was certainly not aware of it.

Maybe I can ask more directly: What do you think makes Canada uniquely Canada? Ignoring the whos, whys and hows, what do you believe we have lost, culturally speaking?

[–] TheShadow277@slrpnk.net 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What's to be proud of? The fact I have to wait three years to see certain medical specialists currently? Or the past of genocide and racism?

[–] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I waited 2.5 years for a surgery once, showed up, it was cancelled, they referred me to another guy, showed up, he gave me a steroid injection, said i should have been getting those every three months for the last 2.5 years and refused to schedule another appointment in 3 months.

[–] TheShadow277@slrpnk.net 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Really makes you wanna belt out o canada!

[–] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sometimes I think Trudeau has such a hard on for gun control because he realized he's the first PM who is gonna need american style security till he's an old, old man. Every other PM just kinda slid back into normal life but he's not gonna have that privilege. Can't think of anyone pissed the public off to this degree in Canadian politics since his dear old dad.

[–] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Do you not remember Harper? That man was/is despised outside of Canada almost as much as in it.

[–] Jamablaya@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I remember him clearly, Preston Manning, Stockwell Day, Brian Mulroney. Even the most unpopular of the three never earned himself that visceral, down to the bone hatred in a ridiculous number of people. The odd "Stop Harper" sticker on traffic signs vs a whole country awash in "Fuck Trudeau" flags. They're even common in the lower mainland of BC. More to the point, like Jean Chretien and Paul Martin, and Harper too, they needed minimal security for a short period of time, if at all, after leaving office.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca -1 points 6 months ago

I mean, lower mainland of BC is full of religious rednecks. Particular pockets aren't much different than rural Alberta.