College educated skilled worker. I already left. I'm not looking back. Thanks Trump for making me realize how much the US was holding me back
this post was submitted on 23 May 2025
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Yuuup. Trump getting elected once was the writing on the wall, I wasn't going to wait and hope he didn't manage to return to power. Turns out that was a great decision, the Netherlands are amazing.
Yeah I was like, "In danger of? Bro it's already happening".
Any particular resources you found helpful in your move? My main concern is how to make the visa work and how to find a livable wage abroad
Not OP, but I did the same, when I first realized the US was on a slippery slope towards idiocracy (and, in fairness, I realized it three decades after many intellectuals already warned about it). In my case, I was fortunate to work for a multinational, which agreed to transfer me to a country within the EU, and to take care of the paperwork. Over a decade later, I have citizenship here, my own house, and I feel fully integrated into the local society. And I don't need to worry about college tuition for my kids. They'll have a choice of free education anywhere within the EU, and by the time they're old enough, they may have access to a wide variety of educators who left he US.
I'm in a similar boat, except I'm waiting to find out if my multinational will be willing to move me. I'm the lead developer, admin, product owner, and architect for a very publicly-facing web presence for my company, so I'm hoping they'll be willing to in order to keep me happy.
And if they won't, I'm going to be applying for similar jobs abroad the moment I know.
It's not just for me. My son is trans and my daughter is gay. I have to get them both out of here before the ovens start firing up.
If you get the impression that at this point I believe the U.S. is a lost cause, you're correct. If we make it to the 2026 elections intact, the elections are valid, and Democrats sweep, I'll be extremely surprised.
Getting a work/student visa takes a lot of time so start it early. It's generally easiest to get PR through work or study.
But it's only one piece of the puzzle. My partner and I spent 2 months before we moved going through everything we own and deciding what to get rid of. We got rid of about half of our stuff, anything you don't get rid of will have to go through customs, not to mention figuring out how to physically move your stuff.
Once you get to a new place, setting up is also its own logistical nightmare. You won't have any credit established so getting an apartment or credit card might be difficult to start. You also need a bank account, which might have its own requirements.
And then there's the social part of it. I'm lucky that my community is international and I was very quickly able to find my people, but if you don't know anyone you're going to be very lonely until you do. Try to make some friends before you move.
Where did ya go?
I do sure love it when cowards leave the country instead of remaining here to vote in their interest. To everybody patting themselves on the back for leaving America, you’re part of the fucking problem
Clearly I'd be more helpful in El Salvador
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Of course. We have people in government who don't believe in germ theory. Education is extremely expensive, and if you don't pick a "Good" major, not only are you in debt, but shamed and mocked for it, since no one "forced" you to go. Jobs that require these degrees, even doctors, are not paying enough for people to live, study, and afford food. Why would you stay?
Also educated people tend to vocally disagree with fascists, so obviously fascists wants fewer of them around.
I think at this point, the danger has crystallized pretty thoroughly. Even if you somehow stopped everything that was currently happening, I don’t really know why anybody would want to come here anymore for university. Getting a degree is already stressful enough without having to worry about whether or not the institution will legally be allowed to keep you enrolled for the entire duration of your program.
I don’t really know why anybody would want to come here anymore for university
I mean if my advisor can secure the funding, the two reasons I plan on doing my PhD in America are (1) I like my advisor and (2) I went to school here and I don't like my chances of being accepted somewhere else. Like I would rather do a PhD in literally any other country.
People move here for university at the higher end because there is no where else in the world where you will have more access to research money. Whether government or private sector. Although this may no longer be the case under Trump.
also salary is higher in the usa than anywhere else too.
and the job markets in the us are pretty unstable as it is, especially lot of biotech is preferentially hiring H1B visa holders anyways over citizens, if you dont have a Doctorates.
the problems at the BS/MS level is the low amount of lab experience that is given to students, and universities make it very hard to get them in general.
Brain drain? They're flushing them!
Brain Cistern
Unironically I would be literally thrilled to contribute to this brain drain. I'd drop everything and get on a plane right this very second for a chance to do a PhD in literally any other country.
If anyone is looking to fill a electrical engineering PhD position literally anywhere but America then I'm ya boy.
Thank you for this. I couldn't find this for some reason.
These are places I would consider if I were able to go back to school:
- https://www.eng.mcmaster.ca/ece/degree-options/electrical-and-computer-engineering-phd/
- https://grad.uwo.ca/admissions/programs/program.cfm?p=41
- https://uwaterloo.ca/electrical-computer-engineering/doctor-philosophy-phd
- https://www.mcgill.ca/gradapplicants/program/electrical-engineering-phd
- https://www.sgs.utoronto.ca/programs/electrical-and-computer-engineering/
Yeah, we gonna need loads of that for 7th gen fighters, resilient next-gen green smart grids, etc. Bon voyage!
PS: we're not better than the US, but at least our political systems can delay full fascist takeover for about 5-20 years...which may be enough time to reverse it politically or to at least create defenses against it.
Finland has tuition free PhD programs for nationals of any country, Germany and Netherlands offer paid research positions where you basically are a full time student and still a part time lecturer - working hours can be tough though, since you need to balance the two. If you have some modest savings, Malaysia has some excellent universities and very cheap tuition (I'm doing my phd here and pay about 10k USD for a 3 year program) and cost of living is very low.
So I am in no position to help you but I do have a very strange and hypothetical (ish) question:
How feasible would it be to hack a monitors firmware and use it to send and receive data, assuming that the data being sent is encoded on, say, the green color channel of said monitor and you had an sdr or some specially configured device set up somewhere to help make this very specific and bizarre idea work?
Unless you're a true sociopath ready to take advantage of the situation, past a certain threshold of intelligence and knowledge being surrounded by MAGAmericans and propaganda aimed at them, and knowing your country can only get worse, must feel like torture.
It is. MAGA support just feels like insanity. Trying to discuss things with them about their reasoning is excruciating. I avoid people who I know are MAGA for the most part now. It’s just a black hole of demoralizing energy to try to break through their bubble.
That threshold is like, slightly below average intelligence
Yeah but many Americans are illiterate receptacles of propaganda so there ya go. 😔
I'd argue that's the case in most countries. Almost all ppl need is a singular common enemy to turn off their brain and latch onto facism. Ppl are so quick to accept the easiest solution to all their problems is getting rid of the foreigners. Propaganda wasn't created in the US, it just it's most recent victim
Anyone with the brains and means is welcome in EU! Several member nations are setting up funds for exactly this reason.
Anyone with the brains is doing everything in their power to get out ASAP unless they're nearing retirement, have elderly parents or close relatives, etc.
You cannot do legitimate science under fascist or fundamentalist governance. Too much of reality is considered wrongthink.
But are we though? Because based on my research, it's a lot harder to get into the EU than it used to be like 10 years ago. It's not as if anti-immigration sentiment isn't picking up there either.
not if you have a PHD, or a MD in some specialty, they always in need of those. but to "immigrate" normally it might be more difficult unless you are rich.
"in danger"
Why is it that all these articles seem to be written in the past?
Good! Let me know where they set up shop so I can move there.
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