Since 2006, Denmark has tied the official retirement age to life expectancy and has revised it every five years.
What a depressing law. Progress should mean less mandatory work, not more.
this post was submitted on 22 May 2025
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capitalists gonna capitalist.
Denmark has the best labor laws in the world.
From what I have heard from other Swedish people working in Denmark, it's much easier to get fired there compared to in Sweden.
They also invented capitalism. So, you know...
Edit: I was wrong, thinking of the Dutch, not the Danes.
I... Think that's the UK you're thinking about.
Capitalism's been around in various forms for a while, but the rise of specific types of capitalism are attributed to specific countries and their influence. The Dutch East India trading company was the first to establish what we know as "Finance Capitalism", which was out of Commercial Capitalism. This is largely what the Dutch are still using today. A form of Capitalism that can also contribute towards socialism, but not in the way a Marxist government would.
It is one of the earliest forms of Capitalism that's still alive today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism#Finance and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finance_capitalism
Sure, but what the hell does that have to do with Denmark? The Dutch live in the Netherlands - totally different culture, language, history. I don't think we Danes have invented ANY novel form of financial instrument or financial system.
You're right, I was thinking the Dutch, not the Danes. My bad completely.
No problem, it's a common misconception👌 have a nice day!
It is also stupid because life expectancy is not equivalent to life quality.
Just because people live to 90 now instead of 80 doesn't mean they can actually do anything significant for those 10 years, they could be bed ridden or house bound and kept alive only because they are taking 30 pills a day. It isn't living, it's staying alive. Retirement shouldn't be tied to that.
At the moment progress is desperately trying to keep up with rapidly increasing life expectancy among the world's poorest, that's not a bad thing but that's also why we're seeing so much progress but we're not seeing the benefits much, in the developed world our life expectancy increased long ago and the result of all that progress has mostly normalized in our society and expectations, but we make up a very small percentage of the world's actual population. Now that it's their turn, there's a lot of people who aren't dying like they used to and as a result they don't just want food, they want lights and electricity and running water and roads and cars and phones and houses and opportunities, and on the whole we want to give them access to those things and bring them out of poverty but it's just a lot to do in only a few generations. Demographics get really wild when you start to understand their relationships to larger scale things like economics and world population, and these kind of demographic changes have serious consequences when applied across literally billions of people. It gets less depressing if you make a point of appreciating the very real progress that has been made to billions of peoples lives around the world. Yeah there's a lot of bad stuff going on, but we seem to prefer to talk about that and the actual, measurable good stuff doesn't get much acknowledgement.
Based on projections from demographics, most of the countries in the world should be in really good shape in about 50 years, population growth should level off, and we should be able to share the benefits of progress worldwide. At least if civilization hasn't collapsed into a new dark age, and we haven't turned the planet into an oven, nuked each other out of existence, written the Earth off and fucked off to Mars, or found some other creative way to destroy ourselves by then. So at least there's like a 0.1% things will work out alright.
I'm not sure how the demographic transition in developing countries relates to retirement age in rich countries.
Like I said, it's complicated, but to get a good sense of how the global economy has shifted, you only have to look at the explosive growth of the middle class in Asian economies, their steadily increasing life expectancies, and their growing importance to the west as trade partners (It's not just China and Taiwan despite the political rhetoric surrounding both).
That middle class growth is coming from money we in developed countries are spending every day, and have been spending for decades. We depend on Asian countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Vietnam especially significantly for technology and certain foods, but also for more mundane and often forgotten things like clothes and housewares and medicine. Thailand is one of the world's largest net exporters of pet food. We don't think of the things we use every day that come from other countries, but the fact is most of them do, and many of them we would not be pleased to have to accept any substitute or disruption for.
Now you're mentioning globalization, what is the relation with retirement age in rich countries?
Having relatives that died when they were 70 and seeing stuff like this is quite depressing.
That’s sort of the goal of retirement, you aren’t supposed to live that long afterwards
It’s not a vacation, it’s a “we will take care of you once you can no longer put money into the machine as long as you spent your life taking care of other people who could no longer put money into the machine”
Right bcz 70 year olds are known for being spry young chickens in great physical health.
At the same time, politicians here in Denmark can retire at 60! Those fuckers get free housing, free transport, free food, AND after-pay. "Rules for thee, not for me!"
If only they'd also be forced to retire at 60. Instead they stay in politics and continue to make decisions based on outdated knowledge and ideals.
Yes, they're going to die sooner anyway. Forced retirement at 60 for politicians would be perfect.
They should be bound by the same rules as the rest of us.
"I've paid my taxes all my life. There should also be time to be with children and grandchildren," Mr Jensen told outlet DK.
I can't speak to the history of government supplied pension in the EU, but in the USA, our version (Social Security) was never meant to provide "a time to be with children and grandchildren". The expectation was that most people would die before being unable to work, and Social Security provided a means for the elderly that lived to be housed and fed until they died. Social Security was designed to prevent living elderly from being in absolute poverty never to provide a time of respite before eventually dying.
The quote says it should, not this was meant to
There absolutely can be with savings outside of government pension to make that "the children/grandchildren" time, but current government based systems aren't generally designed and built for that today.
If he, and the rest of that society want that, it will likely mean substantial tax increases. If that populous is fine with that, then it should be pretty simple for lawmakers to make those changes into law. Given that "the children/grandchildren" time not only isn't in law currently, and that lawmakers are increasing the retirement age to 70, it doesn't sound like there is support from the voters for that change.
People want to enjoy the Benicios, but not face the consequences. I think people should have financial education so as not to depend on the government and I understand Denmark's decision, because if a solution is not applied, they could be ruined by pensions.
The bigger problem here is that people above 50 are having very low, nearly impossible chances of finding a job if they lose one, especially with rise of AI. These people can't have a job, and now can't have a pension.
Well done, governments around the world.
EDIT: If I'm getting this right, people of Denmark can start taking out pension prior to retirement, so might not be too catastrophical.
The main economically meaningful aspects of "retirement age" in Denmark AFAIK is that:
- You get entitled to receiving the public, state-paid pension.
- Private pension schemes that vest at this point or later are tax deductible. (you still pay taxes when it's paid out, but due to the progressive tax code you end up paying less)
By far the most relevant of the two is the latter, as practically everyone is covered by pension schemes included in employment contracts.
As such you can still retire any time you want, but it will be more burdensome for you to it earlier than at the age sanctioned by law.
In the US medicaid starts at 65, but you can get lucky and have workplace pension that start early. You only get "full retirement" with Social Security/state pension if you wait until 67 and many wait until then. Which seems similar to Denmark.
we need more robots!!!
For Greenland too?