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[–] ChillPenguin@lemmy.world 129 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As it turns out, if there are no consequences, then you can actually do this.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's the literal difference between "can not" and "may not". I can walk into a police station and just murder someone—we all can!—but I may not without consequence. I mean, unless the law just starts ignoring that too...

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They can’t catch all of us.

[–] mikazuki@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

They mayn't catch all of us.

[–] obscureprodigy@pawb.social 52 points 1 month ago (2 children)

oh you can’t? and what is anyone gonna do about it?

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Chuck Schumer is going to write an even stronger worded letter, that's what!!1!

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Chuck Shumer is going to write another book and promote it on TDS.

[–] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

that's a gringo!

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 month ago (3 children)

This is settled law. 8 U.S.C. § 1357(a)(3) allows immigration officers to conduct warrantless searches and interrogations “within a reasonable distance” of the border. The term “reasonable distance” has been defined by regulation (8 C.F.R. § 287.1) as within 100 miles of any U.S. international boundary or coastline.

There is one exception in case law: they cannot stop vehicles at random without “reasonable suspicion” outside of fixed checkpoints (based on United States v. Brignoni-Ponce, 422 U.S. 873 (1975)).

The judge has not decided the case yet, but she likely understands the above well, and any judgement will be narrow and specifically within the confines of existing statute and precedent. U.S. border security laws have always been incredibly broad and arguably draconian. Successive administrations on the left and the right have kept it that way.

[–] dzso@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don't forget that international airports count as an international boundary, so that basically covers the whole country.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Cracks me up that Tulsa, Oklahoma has a 100-mile boundary around the international airport. You'd have to go up to Kansas to get any closer to the center of the US.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is settled law.

Settled law ain't what it used to be.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Hell, law aint what it used to be.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

This is settled law

Or, at least, we'd like to believe that. In the absence of meaningful opposition there doesn't seem to be much substance to settled law.

the question isn’t “who’s going to let me”. The question is “who’s going to stop me”

[–] madgepickles@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

"After the January sweep, the man who led it, Chief Patrol Agent Gregory Bovino, said his agents specifically targeted people with criminal and immigration histories. However, a CalMatters investigation revealed that the Border Patrol had no criminal or immigration history on 77 of the 78 people it arrested."

so just being an immigrant?

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 17 points 1 month ago

That's where you're wrong, kiddo.

They absolutely can, will, and do. And will continue to do so until you remove them by force.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

That judge is going straight to jail, no?

This is not a country of law. It’s a country of power.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

If the social fabric was healthier there would be groups to protect good judges from reprisals. There might actually be, but they would need to be contacted. John Brown gun clubs?

[–] kevinsbacon@lemmy.today 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Next week: “You just can’t walk up to people with judges robes and arrest us”

[–] D_C@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

tRUMP: "Lol...oh, you're serious? I. CAN. DO. WHAT. I. WANT. AND. NO ONE. WILL. STOP. ME.
ARREST THAT JUDGE, they are, err, umm, secret members of ms13 or something!! Beautiful arrest. Tremendous. People are saying it was the best arrest ever!!"

[–] teri@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've seen police in german trains doing precisely this.

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

They are allowed to do so in most European countries. The UK is a notable exception.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

The Nazis think they can.