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Hi folks. So, I know due to a myriad of reasons I should not allow Jellyfin access to the open internet. However, in trying to switch family over from Plex, I'll need something that "just works".

How are people solving this problem? I've thought about a few solutions, like whitelisting ips (which can change of course), or setting up VPN or tail scale (but then that is more work than they will be willing to do on their side). I can even add some level of auth into my reverse proxy, but that would break Jellyfin clients.

Wondering what others have thought about for this problem

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

You can share jellyfin over the net.

The security issues that tend to be quoted are less important than some people claim them to be.

For instance the unauthorized streaming bug, often quoted as one of the worst jellyfin security issues, in order to work the attacker need to know the exact id of the item they want to stream, which is virtually impossible unless they are or have been an authorized client at some point.

Just set it up with the typical bruteforce protections and you'll be fine.

[–] BlackEco@lemmy.blackeco.com 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This. Just setup fail2ban or similar in front of Jellyfin and you'll be fine.

[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It's not impossible, Far from it. The ids are not random uuids but hashes derived from the path. Since most people have a similar setup to organize their media, this gets trivial very fast

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fine is a relative term

You probably are fine but the company who is getting attacked by your compromised machine isn't

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (3 children)

I don't think jellyfin vulnerabilities could lead to a zombified machine. At least I've not read about something like that happening.

Most Jellyfin issues I know are related to unauthorized API calls of the backend.

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[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

You can share jellyfin on the net. I do.

The issues shared wide and large are mostly moot points, where the attacker needs to already have access to the jellyfin itself to have any surface.

Its FUD and I am convinced spread by Plex people in an effort to cover up their fuckup and enshittyfication.

I love Jellyfin and use it. I also think the security issues are very serious and it's irresponsible to not fix them. At the very least they can make a new API and give users the option to enable or disable the insecure one until clients get updated. But they don't.

I've decided to remove public access to my Jellyfin server until it's resolved, though it's still accessible behind my VPN.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That's a bad idea for so many reasons

The internet is full of bots pounding at your machines to get in. It is only a matter of time until the breach Jellyfin. At the very least you want a reverse proxy with proper security.

I don't see why you would put something like Jellyfin in the internet. Use a VPN solution.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I have had jellyfin exposed to the net for multiple years now.

Countless bots probing everyday, some banned by my security measures some don't. There have never been a breach. Not even close.

To begin with, of you look at what this bots are doing most of them try to target vulnerabilities from older software. I have never even seen a bot targeting jellyfin at all. It's vulnerabilities are not worth attacking, too complex to get it right and very little reward as what can mostly be done is to stream some content or messing around with someo database. No monetary gain. AFAIK there's not a jellyfin vulnerability that would allow running anything on the host. Most vulnerabilities are related to unauthorized actions of the jellyfin API.

Most bots, if not all, target other systems, mostly in search of outdated software with very bad vulnerabilities where they could really get some profit.

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[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Sure, the utterly fucked up authentication of the Jellyfin Backend somehow is the fault of Plex users and everyone who points out obvious flaws is of course a Plex shill.

Maybe you should take a look at what you are defending here. The fact that the devs openly refuse to fix this to maintain backwards compatibility, thus endangering their users speaks a lot about the quality of the project

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[–] skoell13@feddit.org 14 points 1 day ago

I use a VPS and a Wiregusrd tunnel together with geoblocking and fail2ban. I've written my setup down, maybe this will help you https://codeberg.org/skjalli/jellyfin-vps-setup

[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When I did this I set up a VPN on my network and forced anyone that wanted to use it to get on my network.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (6 children)

How does that work with Roku/smart TVs?

[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Probably doesn't. Might need to use the router to get the whole network on th vpn

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[–] ch8zer@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

AppleTV + Tailscale in and it’s been a flawless experience.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How do you do a tailscale with apple tv?

[–] ch8zer@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago (5 children)

You can install it right on the TV, they have a first party app.

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[–] Xanza@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are two routes. VPN and VPS.

VPN; setup wireguard and offer services to your wireguard network.

VPS; setup a VPS to act as a reverse proxy for your jellyfin instance.

Each have their own perks. Each have their own caveats.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The VPS would still involve exposing it

[–] Xanza@lemm.ee 4 points 21 hours ago

You're exposing your jellyfin instance to a single IP, your VPS. That's what a reverse proxy is.

You block all communication from any IP but local, and your VPS IP from jellyfin, and forward web traffic from your VPS to your jellyfin instance. It's not the same as exposing your jellyfin instance directly. Not sure why I have to explain that...but here we are, I guess.

[–] majestictechie@lemmy.fosshost.com 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I do. I run it behind a caddy service so it's secured with an SSL. The port is running on a high non standard one. I do keep checking access logs but haven't had a peep apart from the 1 person I shared it with

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[–] Getting6409@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

I expose jellyfin to the internet, and some precautions I have taken that I don't see mentioned in these answers are: 1) run jellyfin as a rootless container, and 2) use read-only storage where ever possible. If you have other tools managing things like subtitles and metadata files before jellyfin there's no reason for jellyfin to have write access to the media it hosts. While this doesn't directly address the documented security flaws with jellyfin, you may as well treat it like a diseased plague rat if you're going to expose it. To me, that means worst case scenario is the thing is breached and the only thing for an attacker to do is exfiltrate things limited to jellyfin.

[–] fishynoob@infosec.pub 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't do this, but I would set up oAuth like Authelia or something behind a reverse-proxy and authenticate Jellyfin clients through that.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

that's what I'd like personally, but I don't think the clients would play nice with that

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[–] RonnyZittledong@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You could probably set up a cloudflare tunnel. I forget what they call it. I think technically sending video through it is against their TOS but if just a few friends and family are using it I doubt you will hit their naughty list.

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Netbird/Tailscale

You also could use Wireguard as it is a p2p protocol by default.

If you have IPv6 access you could put in on a IPv6 address

[–] lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Making a note so I can find this again - also I have been loving JellyFin over Plex.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yup, I like jelly more - not that I have one running over the other lol

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I thought there was some way to use Jelly on the backend with a Plex client!

[–] jonesboyz@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I use a reverse proxy via NGINX Proxy Manager to expose to the web but allow easy access for my users. I pay $10 a year for a domain name to make access easier.

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[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago

Oof, a lot of vitriol in this thread.

In the end, security is less about tooling and config, and more about understanding the risks and acting accordingly.

I expose jellyfin to the internet, but only to a specific public IP. That reduced my risk considerably.

[–] Codilingus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (13 children)

Reverse proxy with CrowdSec, which has setups specifically for Jellyfin. Docker for everything.

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I've been making people use VPN, but that's been a huge barrier to entry. I'm in the process of switching to IP allow list in traefik.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

I share Jellyfin.

Behind a Reverse Proxy with 2FA that breaks client support.
So only web browser :)

[–] skankhunt42@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Hang on, why not open the port to jellyfin to the internet?

I have a lifetime Plex pass so its not urgent but I have a containers running emby and jellyfin to check them out. When I decide which one I planned to open it up and give people logins.

[–] Selfhoster1728@infosec.pub 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

See this issue on their github repo: here

Basically from what I understand there's loads of unauthenticated api calls, so someone can very easily exploit that.

If they just supported mTLS in their clients it wouldn't be an issue but oh well :(

[–] exu@feditown.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The main unauthenticated action is video streaming, but an attacker would need to guess the correct id by chance.

https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/5415#issuecomment-2825240290

[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago

It's not chance if the I'd is based on the path to your media. There's but that much variation in the path to a certain movie and its trivial to build a rainbow table to try them out. This way unauthenticated users can not only stream from your server but effectively map your library

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