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I don't like smartphones. I use a dumbphone.

But this is a wonderful initiative.

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[–] yumyumsmuncher@feddit.uk 128 points 1 week ago (31 children)

Shame there is no Graphene OS support for it

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 68 points 1 week ago

The biggest downside of Fairphone IMO is that they don't maintain their hardware support in LineageOS and for the retail product then branch development off, add a bit of custom branding and adapt whatever Google requires these days. It would greatly improve custom ROM support in general.

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[–] VolumetricShitCompressor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 106 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If they just didn't drop the headphone jack.

[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 59 points 1 week ago

How else would they push their mediocre reviewed Bluetooth headsets and ear buds?

[–] tostiman@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago

Ah, that's a dealbreaker for me

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 78 points 1 week ago (12 children)

That's cool. Let me know when it gets support for GrapheneOS and finds it's headphone jack again.

The answer is likley never, GOS devs dont trust Fairphone devs (due to poor security practices) and Fairphone devs are unwilling (in some cases unable) to meet the extremely high standards for GOS.

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[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 71 points 1 week ago (17 children)

I really wish this was available in the US. I've found myself able to hang on to devices longer and longer. So this would be perfect. I'm only charging my battery to 80% and discharging it to 30% before charging it again just to prolong the life of the battery because that's the first thing that dies on most devices. Having a user replaceable battery again would be an absolute godsend.

[–] Naz@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 week ago (12 children)

This is a 50% DoD and is considered best possible practice to prevent lithium-ion dendrite formation.

Updoot for good advice.

Proof:

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[–] Whooping_Seal@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you don't mind clarifying, what do you mean by DoD?

[–] Naz@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 week ago

Depth of Discharge, sorry -- 0 to 100 would be a 100% depth (the entire battery), 30 to 80 is 50%.

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[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 54 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I hope Graphene eventually shifts to support the fairphones. Doubtful, but it'd be perfect

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

No, it's the other way around. Fairphone needs to implement the things Graphene requires.

https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices

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[–] AVengefulAxolotl@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

If we could get a Fairphone with GrapheneOS, that would be the perfect phone for me. Repairability & the most secure and private Android. Sign me up!

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 52 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wish they could implement the parts of the Pixel phones that allow GrapheneOS to be used.

[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What parts are these? I've always wondered what this was about, why the pixel was the only phone that could support GrapheneOS

[–] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The last I looked was that the Pixel was the only phone that allowed you to load a custom rom and relock the bootloader. Other phones kept the bootloader unlocked once it was modded.

So, graphene could be put on those phones if the devs wanted to do it, but it would be less secure since the bootloader would remain unlocked.

Also, supporting a small line a phones is probably infinitely easier than a range, of devices, but it would be nice to have another option. Especially now that the Fairphone pice is reasonable.

[–] baduhai@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The last I looked was that the Pixel was the only phone that allowed you to load a custom rom and relock the bootloader. Other phones kept the bootloader unlocked once it was modded.

That is not the case. SHIFTmq, Motorola and Fairphone allow the bootloader to be relocked with a custom rom. There are many requirements the Fairphone lacks for GrapheneOS, but relocking the bootloader is not one of them.

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I would totally be interested if they had solid Linux support, such as postmarketOS or mobian. Those systems continue to get updates long after most Android devices stop supplying updates, so it would fit really well with a repairable phone. It shouldn't be the default, but it would be awesome if they helped the Linux phone community make it the best supported hardware for the various Linux phone projects.

According to the postmarketOS wiki, audio is completely broken, so you have to use Bluetooth. That kind of sucks.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

Bring back the headphone jack & we'll be happy.

Next up, make the phone compatible with Linux OSs

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[–] oascany@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This would've been my new phone if it had a headphone jack.

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[–] roawn@feddit.uk 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

I'm using this phone right now and I love it. it feels solid. Im using a degoogled ROM and it just works, there seems to be a lot of people pressing for graphene os specifically and discrediting the phone for what it is. its so easy to take apart and cheaply repair its great. it's perfect for folk who want a decent smartphone that you dont have to worry about being thrown around. sure it's not perfect but it is still a very good

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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

I've owned the 4, for a couple of years. Was really excited to get one.

Parts have been unavailable for a long time when I needed them. The battery is pretty dead after 2 years meanwhile my pixel which is about 5 years old still going strong. The os is the buggiest experience I've ever had, sluggish, going from portrait the landscape kills UI formatting if it switches to power save it'll skip a video. Boot loops constantly.

Never again I'm afraid it's neat I could fix things with it so quickly but they fail hard past that.

Example navigation buttons have just covered the voyager ui

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[–] Sizing2673@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I really want this to come to the US as well..

Is this phone also more secure?

The problem we are running into right now is Apple and Google are colluding with the US government over fascism and they are supporting their Nazi regime

They have all the power and they can change all of these services overnight, they can track you and everything and you will have no idea and no way to get rid of it

We really need an open replacement. Phones are now used for everything

[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 24 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Is this phone also more secure?

Probably not.

Apple & Google have spent considerable amounts of time building out hardware security infrastructure for their products that I find it extremely unlikely Fairphone would have been able to match.

For example, the popular alternative Android OS GrapheneOS only supports Google Pixels, because: (Emphasis added by me)

"There are currently no other devices meeting even the most basic security requirements while running an alternate OS. GrapheneOS is very interested in supporting a non-Pixel brand, but the vast majority of Android OEMs do not take security seriously. Samsung takes security almost as seriously as Google, but they deliberately cripple their devices when unlock them to install another OS and don’t allow an alternate OS to use important security features. If Samsung permitted GrapheneOS to support their devices properly, many of their phones would be the closest to meeting our requirements. They’re currently missing the very important hardware memory tagging feature, but only because it’s such a new feature"

If even Samsung, the only other phone brand on the market they consider close to meeting their standards, doesn't support every modern hardware security feature, and deliberately cripples their security for alternate OS's, as a multi billion dollar company, I doubt Fairphone has custom-built hardware security mechanisms for their phones to the degree that Google has.

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[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm waiting on a Framework Phone.

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[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 21 points 1 week ago

Only 400€ to go until I can afford it.

[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Please get through the FCC and open sales in the USA before Fairphone 6 is made.

I really don't want to buy another unrepairable phone.

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[–] PixellatedDave@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (11 children)

I have the fairphone 4 and have had no issues. As long as a fairphone exists I don't see any reason I should switch.

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[–] sonosonic@lemy.lol 19 points 1 week ago

I've had this phone for over a year with Murena e/OS/! 90hz refresh rate is so nice

[–] oliver@lemmy.neuralwhisper.eu 15 points 1 week ago

Still like the idea behind it and wish there was support for GrapheneOS (going even further than /e/o) as well as better camera quality but this is the price we have to pay for flexibility and sustainability I think. Like the concept here but never tried to go with one so far.

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Really wish Fairphone would come to the US. I'd spend the money on it, but they only half-ass sold the last gen phone here on the US.

I don't even understand why. They support most 4G and every mid and low band 5G in America. Even if I could just import it, I'd be happy.

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[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wish importing phones were an option for my country, but no. Even if I secured a way to bring it here, it takes 1000 dollars just to register its IMEI to use here.

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[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 14 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The hardware is good and I like the idea in principle but Fairphone's support and software QA is dreadful and you need to hope you never need the former because of problems with the latter. My FP5 was bricked by an update they pushed out and after six weeks of trying to get a solution from their support (four weeks of which they didn't respond at all) I ended up claiming on insurance and buying a Pixel. According to the forums this problem is far from unique to me.

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