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Try as I might I don't think I'll ever understand people who like manual transmission. I think it's like some kind of elitism thing? I can drive the annoying esoteric vehicle so I'm better than you?
It's not like it actually makes you go faster, automatic transmissions are pretty good these days. I've tried to drive manual vehicles and it just required way too much of my attention for what should be a simple means of conveyance.
You're making it sound a lot harder and more painful than it is. Do you also judge people who ride 2-wheeled vehicles that "require attention" for staying balanced?
"I don't like X, therefore people who like X can't possibly like it for real and must be pretending. In fact, they are elitists who only do it to feel superior to me."
C'mon mate.
Esoteric? I've only encountered a handful of automatic cars in my life here in the UK. Having a licence that only covers automatic has historically been rather limiting here. The only person I know that has that has dyspraxia.
For me the appeal of a manual transmission is in engine braking. When driving an ICE car I barely need the brakes because the majority of my speed management is through engine braking. Fortunately my electric car has the option for pseudo engine braking - and it charges the battery too!
Automatic cars also have engine braking.
When I've driven an automatic I could only manually set the gears for first and second. I'm sure that's not universal as nothing is, but I can only speak to my own experience.
I would usually use fourth when decelerating up to a junction and then switch directly to second as I get close, as an example.
Yeah but it's not really feasible to use it at every corner and stop like you can a manual car. Engine braking in an auto is mostly just for doing long descents without riding the brakes too much
Some cars have 'hard' regenerative braking but yea, it's rare (thinking about Tesla)
Regen is just an electric car thing though, no? And EVs (with very few exceptions) don't have a transmission at all?
Regen has been on trains for a long time, fwiw.
True but again, most modern trains don't have the internal combustion engine directly delivering power to the wheels, they're hybrids where the engine is essentially just a generator powering an electric drivetrain. You can't have regen without a place to put that regenerated electricity, engine braking is distinct as that energy goes toward compressing air in the cylinders and generating heat that just goes out the exhaust as waste.
Uhhh that sounds right
To be fair I know close to nothing about cars and mechanics
Haha no worries
Because they like it. It's engaging.
But it also forces you to pay better attention, I'm just not going to get snippy about it.
You complaining about the attention.... Terrifying. Jesus, you can kill someone.
Had a previous car that was manual. Then I bought a car with a CVT (continuously variable transmission) and it’s such a nuisance because it is always unpredictable when it will shift. So you go to pass someone, step on the gas and sometimes it takes off and other times it fiddles with shifting for a second before giving you any power. Can also be a real pain in stop and go traffic because it will have unpredictable amounts of power when starting from a stop. I’ve had this vehicle since 2017 and it’s always been this way. I don’t miss having to shift constantly but I do miss having a reliable amount of power when I’m in a certain gear - that’s what is so nice about a manual transmission. You feel more in control of the car. That said, my daily driver now is electric with no transmission and that is the best of all.
Those shift points are artificial, unnecessary and only programmed that way because people are used to it.
Is your CVT vehicle a Honda? I know Nissan CVTs have had their issues but the Toyota ones have a fixed/real first gear before they switch to the CVT to give you that reliable start from 0 mph/kph.
Subaru
I guess there can be some elitist mindset to being able to do something that fewer and fewer people can do. But thinking that this is the main reason why people love driving stick is downright ignorant.
The "satisfaction" is probably novelty. UK/EU, nobody thinks about it.
I think there's a kind of fetishisation of manual transmission in the US. Like your emergency scenario: I guess if you need to accelerate away from 30-50 feral hogs then you might welcome it.
I've been driving for over 20 years, still enjoy driving manual. But some people never enjoy driving and see it as a chore, I guess you must be one of them.
And "emergency" is just when you need acceleration now. Like for when you overtake someone or are merging on the highway.
Also I know America bashing is popular on this website but you just came across as prejudiced and ignorant. And FYI I'm not even American.
No automatic takes "a few seconds" to gun it, I think you might be the one with the flawed experience
Manual: floor it, instant pull. If I want to downshift I will.
Automatic: floor it, hesitation, downshift, revs go higher but nothing happens because it isn't sure if it wants to downshift again, hesitation, downshifts, revs go crazy and outside of power band or just at the top end of it, shitty pull, upshifts almost right after. Finally some pull after wasting three seconds.
I've driven countless various automatic vehicles. They all do that to varying degrees of disappointment.
The only time I had a delay was when I had a car that took half a second for VTEC to kick in, I’ve never had an automatic that took SECONDS to go vroom
There is a difference between engine noise and actual acceleration.
I was referring to acceleration.
Well then you are misunderstanding what I'm talking about because you're trying to tell me that a behavior that I have noticed to be common on dozens of automatic vehicles that I have driven over two decades doesn't exist.
One of the first cars I ever drove was the family turbo v6 Chevy box van with an auto (column shifter, the best kind for autos). Thing could seat 12 and handled like a stack of mattresses, but I'd crush the gas pedal into the floor and that thing would pull surprisingly well - after 2-3 business days. Between the transmission taking it's time to pick just the right gear and the turbo spooling up I could literally punch it and go "one Mississippi two Mississippi three mississi-" VVVVRRRROOOOOMMM. The delay was so prominent that it actually came full circle and became hilarious and fun to drive, one of the only autos I really liked.
It's more enjoyable is the main thing. It's more fun to drive a manual car to many people and that's their appeal. There are a few other advantages to it as well. They're generally more reliable and have better fuel economy and performance than automatics that were offered until the 2010s.
Most people have manual cars in the UK. Automatics are the weirder, more esoteric ones to us.
I think it's more or less a cultural thing at this point
FWIW I believe competitive drivers prefer manual control (even if the gearbox itself is automatic) because controlling when the gear change happens can make a difference in a race
I heard that automatic cars were more common in the USA but idk if that's true
Nearly 98% of cars sold in the US are automatic. Manual transmissions are often not even an option for a lot of models.
That explains it then! Thanks :)
It's just more fun dude. Manual transmissions make shitty cars bearable, and nicer cars exhilarating. Plus I really like having that direct control over the car. Plus they tend to be more reliable and cheaper to repair. There's not much else too it.
That just means that you haven't developed the muscle memory yet, you had that same learning period with every other aspect of driving, operating a manual transmission is just one more. So you know, if you're serious, practice.
I've been driving manuals exclusively for so long that I actually have the opposite problem, In the rare situations that I need to drive an auto, I have to be super careful and mindful. I've literally stabbed the brake before in an auto with my left foot instinctively looking for the clutch, so I have to conciously keep that foot still.
I believe they're just cheaper and technically they allow you to get a bit more from your car, but yea apart from that, not much
In some countries there are more manual cars so I get them, but trashing on automatic is just dumb. It's much more enjoyable (people I know told me that). Most manual drivers have muscle memory so it's not really something that takes too much place in their mind, but I guess having to remember less could make you more focused on the road.
Disclaimer: I have an automatic driver license, and no manual driver license haha
On contrary, in my opinion. Especially in cities, where manual forces me to anticipate the next turn, light or other drivers. Automatic makes me zone out and focus on everything but driving.
Okay, didn't think this would happen
ADHD?
Not that I know of.
At some point in time it was argued that manual allowed finer control of engine efficiency to automatic which simply shifted at certain speeds or rpms that weren't always ideal. So properly driving a manual meant you saved gas.
I dare say in the decades since that argument began, automatic transmissions have gotten way better and reasonably as efficient as the average manual driver.
Also, when manuals were more generally common, they were generally cheaper than automatics. I don't know if that's true anymore, but I think the average person will have a hard time finding a manual new (consumer grade) vehicle in any given dealership in the US these days -- you'd have to get it ordered.
I like automatics but I have driven manuals all my life and I prefer them especially in the winter when encountering icy roads. And I like overtaking with manuals more because I have control over the rev range and torque. If I were to live in a mild climate with lots of wide multi lane roads I’d get an auto for sure.