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The Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) reported that the June 1 “Spider Web” drone operation caused approximately $7 billion in damages and disabled 34% of cruise missile bombers in key Russian airbases.

The agency confirmed that more details about the attack will be revealed later.

“And you thought Ukraine was easy? Ukraine is exceptional. Ukraine is unique. All the steamrollers of history have rolled over it. It has withstood every kind of trial. It is tempered by the highest degree. In today’s world, its value is beyond measure,” the SBU wrote, quoting Ukrainian poet Lina Kostenko.

They also vowed to continue to drive Russian forces out of Ukrainian territory.

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[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You should also keep in mind that the EU is a supra-national federalist construct

It still supports the ongoing genocide in Gaza and supported the invasion of Iraq, the bombing of Yugoslavia, the destruction of Libya, Afghanistan, colonialism in Africa... Seriously, tell me three military interventions done by European countries in the past century that were arguably moral.

[–] Kor@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com -1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I'm addressing the military expenditure of the EU, how is showing historical evidence of military expenditure of the EU whataboutism? It's literally the topic we're talking about. You just don't want to think about this topic because you're obviously right in your point of view, so you're using a thought-terminating line to shut down your brain

[–] Kor@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

No. We have been talking about the present and future threats to the EU while you choose to mostly indulge in past actions that weren't even conducted by justification of Europe's immediate security. Geopolitical concerns have fundamentally changed since then and you are now comparing rotten apples to budding oranges, calling them one and the same, which obviously they are not.

I agree, the EU isn't perfect, but it is the best the world has to offer for the future of democracy and individual freedoms. Afterall, perfect is the enemy of good.

[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

We have been talking about the present and future threats to the EU

And how exactly do you think those other wars were presented in the past? Do you think Nazi politicians weren't telling their population that Lebensraum was exclusively for the defense of German culture and rights against the barbaric Russians? Do you not think that the imperialist powers in WW1 fighting each other framed these wars as defensive to their own populations? Essentially: "trust me bro, this next war will be the defensive war bro, I promise bro"

Geopolitical concerns have fundamentally changed

Didn't I just tell you about the ongoing genocide in Gaza that European states support? How can you claim that things have changed when Europe keeps engaging in genocide?

the EU isn't perfect, but it is the best the world has to offer

"Maybe Europe has a history of barbaric colonialism and imperialism leaving tens (if not hundreds) of millions of deaths in its colonies in Africa, Asia and South America. Maybe European states have fought endless wars among each other in the name of self defence. Maybe Europe continues to engage in the support of genocidal apartheid states such as Israel, and recently itself participated in the bombing of Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya. Maybe Europe is getting overrun by far-right politicians as we see in Poland, Italy and soon Germany and France. But Europe is the best and most free the world has to offer! Yes, I'm European, but I swear that opinion is completely reasoned, unlike the opinions of people from other countries outside Europe who hold the exact same beliefs towards their own countries! No, I'm not a nationalist/chauvinist"

[–] Kor@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Those are a lot of words for someone who has lost the argument some comments ago. Continuing to use whataboutisms and creating straw men to advance your warped view on geopolitics simply outs you as an imbecile, not worth any more effort.

[–] AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 0 points 1 day ago

You're just regurgitating the wikipedia list of logical fallacies without knowing what they mean, peak redditor behaviour.