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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago (28 children)

Value isn't necessarily something tangible. It's what other people think it's worth. The USD doesn't have any more value than the belief people put in it. Do you also think it has no value?

I'm not defending crypto speculation, but it's ignorant to say it doesn't have value if you can buy things with it. Basically all modern money is based on faith, including crypto. Even when it's based on gold or silver, that's aren't actually useful for most people so it's still made up value worth however much people value that.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (14 children)

Basically all modern money is based on faith, including crypto.

Ok, sure, however, fiat currencies are based on the faith that there's at least one entire nation that you can use your currency in, and is motivated to ensure their currency is worth something, and has some semblance of stability. Crypto is based on the faith that there's other dumbasses out there that will agree with you that these particular bits hold value for some reason.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

I'm sorry, but at this point I honestly have more faith in the latter than the former. I just don't have any faith in America at all.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 1 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Ok I'm talking about fiat currency as a concept though, not the USD specifically.

If your point is that fiat currencies are still vulnerable to some instability, then sure, I guess I agree, but fiat currencies are still orders of magnitude more stable than cryptocurrencies.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

If a state converted from paper money to crypto, the only discernible differences would be like more computers, more transparency, less middlemen, etc. Crypto is literally just a new (distributed, open) form of accounting.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Sure, and that would make that cryptocurrency a fiat currency.

*Also, it's not even close to being new, the idea of distributed ledgers has been around for decades at this point.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Serious question: do the Europeans here have more faith in your governments than you do in obsessive internet people?

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 2 points 14 hours ago

I can't answer for anyone but myself, and I'm not European, but I absolutely trust government more than anonymous obsessive Internet people. At least governments are theoretically held in check by those they govern. Internet randos don't play by anyone's rules but their own.

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