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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Same thing, which is why this isn't news.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

To expand on this, even if you are caught dead to rights in whatever crime you're charged with, you plead not guilty at arraignment. Because once you plead guilty, it's over. You can always change your not guilty plea to guilty later on, if a plea deal negotiated with the prosecutor is satisfactory to you. If you just plead guilty, your ability to negotiate charges and consequences are nilch.

Any time you read "So-and-So pleads not guilty" in the news, it's not news. It's just what you do when you are charged with a crime.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Out of curiosity, are you referring to the USA or does it work the same in the UK?

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

US, that's true. But I would expect it to be the same in the UK, since our concept of the judicial system really hasn't diverged much, historically speaking.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I am not so convinced about this. Your system may be politicised crap with elective judiciary but at least you have a constitution. Outdated, yes but still.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 3 points 1 week ago

I know that in the UK, the judiciary is based on the common law system. This was brought to the colonies, of course, and the judicial system in the US is a codified version of that.

But the basic judicial concepts enshrined in common law in the UK are essentially the same as the ones codified in the US.

[–] gedhrel@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

In the UK, in general, take advice. If you're bang to rights then a guilty plea (in court, not to the police) can affect sentencing.

Unfortunately, having said that, the UK conviction rate for rape is unbelievably low. "She liked sex ergo she deserved it" is still a line that juries are too willing to buy. It's fucking depressing.