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This is important and one part of many reasons why America became the superpower it is today.
America horded 80% of global gold reserves by selling weapons to allies while not engaging in WW2, benefiting from their geographic isolation from Europe and Asia.
Of course, establishing independence from colonial powers was an important first step and there is some credit to be given there (even if driven by greed).
But many Americans are told that their nation is rich because they are somehow better on a deeper, fundamental level. When the reality is, like many things in life, they were able to take advantage of an oppurtunity by being in the right place at the right time (and one can argue they should have engaged in WW2 sooner, instead of sitting on the sidelines).
This is part of the reason I find Jon Stewart to be quite knowledgeable but also at times nauseating. I have nothing against patriotism but he peddles American exceptionalism as a reason why the country should be better when it's perfectly reasonable to expect more from your country without a falsely representing its ascent.
The Post-WWII period is also responsible for a lot of the chaos today.
The US emerged from WWII with most of the worker protections from the New Deal in place. The income tax rates topped out at 90%. Unions were strong. Add to that that the US was the only major economy to come out of WWII unscathed and there was an obvious economic boom that, thanks to those New Deal policies, wasn't hoarded by the already wealthy.
That was the environment in which a (white, male) factory worker was able to own a house and support a large family with a stay-at-home wife. This is the world MAGA wants to return to. But, even if they got the labour protections that were a key element of that world (which of course the people they're electing are dead-set against) that worker's paradise isn't coming back without another disastrous world war in which the US gets to sit on the sidelines then reap the benefits when the war is over. Basically, their idea of that era is a fantasy, and it's never coming back, even if they actually voted for the side that wants to make incremental steps in that direction, rather than the one that wants to hoard even more wealth for the rich.
As someone who grew up in Canada, I'm also not going to give them any kudos for independence from the colonial powers. They did it out of greed and it gave them an opportunity to renege on deals made with the French colonists and Native American groups. I'm not going to claim that the English or French governments were good to, or fair with the natives. But, they did form alliances with them and sign treaties. Some of the treaties were even honoured, at least for a while. Rather than an outright genocide to kill them off, or march them across the continent, the approach taken by the British in what's now Canada was to try to forcibly "civilize" them. Thanks to racism, they thought that the natives were savages, and needed to be civilized, and they did all kinds of paternalistic things to destroy "savage" cultures and make the natives into fine, upstanding people who wore civilized clothing, spoke English, worshipped the correct god, had jobs, etc.
The American process was more "kill them off and take their land". If the British had remained in charge, there probably would have been no Trail of Tears etc. Basically, they split off from the colonial power because the colonial power wasn't brutal or racist enough for their tastes.
I agree that America's origin story is filled with blood lust and greed. You don't come up with a concept like manifest destiny without a fuck you, everything is mine attitude.
The reality is they're never going to see that set of circumstances ever again. You don't get to be the world's preeminent super power and sit at the sidelines of a world war.
One can wonder if that unique set of circumstances (some of it based on pure luck) will ever happen again. That is, the new deal + rapid industrializing to become the world's leading weapons manufacturer + geographical isolation from a world war without being a primary target. If it does happen, it would be for another country.
The US profited immensely off of their allies by selling weapons and that doesnt even account for the massive brain drain of intellectuals / scientists moving to the US for safety during the war.
Yep, I agree with all of that. You can't really even blame the US for most of it. Not joining the first and second world wars sooner? Makes sense. It's a war on an entirely different continent. Why not stay out as long as possible. Scientists, engineers and artists fleeing to the US for safety? Makes perfect sense. It's great that (for the most part) the US welcomed them in. Selling arms to allies? That's perfectly reasonable, I'm sure the allies appreciated it. In fact, with the Lend Lease act, a lot of the equipment was effectively donated.
What you can blame the US for is not acknowledging this as a huge stroke of luck, and having some humility about it. If the US taught kids in schools that the US was extremely lucky in both world wars, joining near the end of the first and a long way after the start of the second, that would be reasonable. Instead most people who go through the US education system come out of it thinking that WWII started in late 1941. Teaching that the US won WWII? No, the USSR won WWII, the rest of the allies did their part, but the most brutal fighting was on the eastern front, and it was the Russians who plowed their way to Berlin. The US economy after WWII was great because of ingenuity and capitalism? Sure, those were factors, but don'tcha think the whole "we're the only major country to get out of WWII undamaged" is a bigger factor?