We've all played them. Backtracking, not knowing where to go. Going back and forth. Name some of these games from your memory. I'll start: Final Fantasy XIII-2, RE1

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[–] You_are_dust@lemm.ee 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Metroidvania games can be pretty good for this sometimes. One that really got me was Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night. You have to get an ability to progress at a certain point that is a random drop from an enemy. Any game that relies on RNG for progression is going to make me go running in circles. I love the game, but did not love that part.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

RotN doesn't have any progression requirements that aren't scripted drops, off the top of my head, but I could be wrong about that. What ability are you thinking of?

Dawn and Aria of Sorrow do, but in fairness those are communicated in other scripted drops and are part of the "get the good ending" puzzles.

[–] You_are_dust@lemm.ee 2 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I'm pretty certain it's an enemy drop I'm thinking of. I think it's from a fish that allows you to go under water.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 2 points 22 hours ago

Oh, man, you may be right. I've gona back and forth the Igavanias so much I definitely don't remember which "go underwater" upgrade goes where.

Gonna look it up because it's gonna kill me otherwise.

Okay, yeah, got it. I remember now. They do a weird thing in that one where you have a bad way of moving underwater by using a weapon and you unlock the proper walking underwater thing after. So yes, you do need to kill enemies to get it as a random drop. It's a super high drop rate, though. I think I didn't remember because you have to be fairly unlucky (or be speedrunning and not killing enemies, I suppose) to not get it naturally, but you are correct.