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We've all played them. Backtracking, not knowing where to go. Going back and forth. Name some of these games from your memory. I'll start: Final Fantasy XIII-2, RE1

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[–] hank_the_tank66@lemmy.world 37 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

Zelda: Link's Awakening on the GameBoy Color in the mid-90s. I got to the second temple, and was totally stuck - to progress I needed to learn to jump, which I inferred was in this temple, but I just couldn't figure out where it was.

Wandered all over the available map, which of course was constrained due to lacking the jump skill and other story-driven tools. Nothing.

Finally bought a game guide, which explained to me that I needed to bomb a wall in one room in the second temple to progress. It was indicated by a small crack, a staple in Zelda games but invisible to me in my first experience with the series.

The cherry on top was that by that point, I didn't have any bombs to break the wall, and I recall that I didn't have the ability to buy or acquire any and had to restart the game to progress past the point where I was stuck.

After that point, Zelda: Links Awakening became one of my favorite games of my childhood. It is hilarious how much frustration it caused me before that realization.

[–] naticus@lemmy.world 21 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Some games really do depend on learned conventions from previous games which can feel a bit unfair to the uninitiated. It's a double edged sword of avoiding too much tutorializing vs alienating newcomers.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Quality design will show you the important parts early on without needing to explicitly state them. Leaving that out in sequels is poor design.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 10 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, well, the original Zelda flagged bomb spots even less, so...

It's weird to me that Simon's Quest gets so much grief for this when Zelda 1 and 2 (and particularly the localized version of those) were full of that exact "defer to the guide" nonsense.

In fairness, some of that stuff comes from trying to play older games out of context, since a lot of tutorializing used to happen in the manual, but not on any of those NES examples.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

OG LoZ was just:

Step 1: "Here's a rusty stick."

Step 2: "Kill God."

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago

I sorta had the same problem with Ocarina of Time. Was stuck in the Deku Tree basement. Didn’t know you had to use a stick with fire to burn cobweb. I thought the game was broken and was thinking about returning the game until I accidentally solved it by fucking around. Not sure if Navi explained it or not, but my English wasn’t very good when I was 10 and the game didn’t had my native language as an option.

[–] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 2 points 8 hours ago

When I was 5 or 6, my grandmother got a NES and three games. One was Crystalis.

Me and my two cousins played the game in turns, and we eventually got to the first boss, which was quite an achievement because there are puzzle elements to the game.

We could not beat this boss. Several years later, I have my own NES and I borrow Crystalis. I'm pretty sure I got to that boss again and realized something. Hitting him produced a sound that no other monster had. It sounded like hitting solid glass. I finally intuited that I wasn't strong enough and leveled up to level 3, and wouldn't you know it, I beat the boss.

It's one of my all time favorite retro games. It was so ahead of its time. Worth playing if you've never tried it.

[–] uninvitedguest@lemmy.ca 2 points 16 hours ago

Yeah Link's Awakening is the one that came to mind for me. Even after having beaten it, the next time I played it I would still get stuck.

[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 1 points 4 hours ago

Back then on my GBA I got stuck in a Zelda Oracles dungeon for quite some time until I looked up what I was supposed to do. Turns out there was a hint, I had read it, but it was mistranslated and was garbled in my language.

It's supposed to tell you running makes you jump farther. Translated text doesn't mention jumping and instead sounds like a weird nonsensical idiom about "travelling far". Specifically travelling in the sense going on a trip, not just going from place A to place B.