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[–] galanthus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, I believe that without Russia, Russian Caucasus will be a worse place overall, and will also have a few wars.

South Ossetia and Abkhazia are also worse off than they would be had they remained in Georgia.

It seems to me that this sort of nationalism is counterproductive.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are already wars in the Russian caucuses.

I cannot prove or disprove a negative, so I’m not going to touch your second point.

Georgian nationalism was so fervent at the fall of the USSR because of Russian oppression. They haven’t done anything to clean up the mess they created because frozen conflict on their borders is beneficial to Russia.

[–] galanthus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are no wars now.

The wars happened when the central government was too weak to deal with them, which supports my point somewhat.

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 0 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The logical conclusion to your point is that Russia should be allowed to conquer the world to end all wars. The problem with that is that no one wants to live under Russian rule, and Russia fights wars to take control over those countries and then genocides them afterwards. This is not better.

My hope is for Russia to get small and weak enough that they can no longer wage wars on their neighbors.

[–] galanthus@lemmy.world 0 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

This is simply not correct. Quite a lot of people would prefer not to separate from Russia.

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Then they wouldn't fight a war for independence would they?

[–] galanthus@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Precisely.

And this is why a lot of peoples did not, in fact, fight a war of independence against Russia.

And the Chechens, for instance, wanted independence because they were subjected to a genocide by the USSR when it was ruled by a Georgian, so this is hardly a usual case for the ethnic minorities, since most of them were not genocided.

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

The main reason the rest don't fight is because they were already too badly genocided.

[–] galanthus@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Exactly. In fact, my nation was genocided so hard by the Russians, we don't even know it happened.

The point is, that there is not necessarily a desire to leave. You are generalising unnecessarily.