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Remind me how this is Biden's and Kamala's fault again?
Well they could've arrested the bastard in January 2021 instead of waiting a couple years to even start considering legal consequences. 5 minutes after the inauguration Trump should've had a black bag over his head. No excuses for their inaction.
The Democrats aren't the party perpetrating this evil, but they've done everything in their power to enable it, thus they share responsibility.
Something, something, genocide I assume.
No, you see, they allowed foreign brown people to die on their watch, which is obviously worse than checks notes deporting local brown people with the intent to harm as well?
/s, just in case someone finds this comment a year later.
They made the economy bad by spending too much money toward Ukraine.
... or something.
Anyway, time to occupy Gaza, invade Panama, buyout Greenland, maybe invade Canada, ramp up strikes on the Houthis, and leak the group chat planning said strikes...
oh, and goad China into an an unprecedented trade war, as they are doing full scale drills/mock invasions of Taiwan.
But its fine because Trump will end the Ukraine war on day one and is therefore the peace candidate.
... I swear to god I'd have to be beaten in the head with hammers and develop CTE to be operating on the same mental wavelength as Trump scrotum suckers.
Because their ignorant dolts will believe it.
It's not their fault, but they definitely chose to prioritize supporting a genocide above pleasing their most fervent base.
They had polling data for months showing the impopularity of it and the low polling numbers. We all saw the polling data.
They broke what many considered to be an election promise in 2020 that Biden would be a one term. And they robbed their voters of an open primary, most likely because they knew a progressive populist would easily beat Harris. Harris has never appealed to a broad audience.
But even so, Harris got an enormous boost when she replaced Biden. All she had to do was distance herself from his unpopular positions. She should have criticized Biden on inflation and working class income stagnation. She should have let a Palestinian talk at the DNC. She should have met Arab Americans in Dearborn. And she should have voiced criticism on Netanyahu to get the hostages home and stop the killing. Heck, even Biden had more class when handling upset protestors.
But she dropped the ball on all those important issues.
It's political incompetence and a sell-out to corporate interests.
I'm sure that someone more savvy like Pete Buttigieg would have easily beaten Trump.
But still, it's not their fault. Everything Trump is doing is his fault.
Not sure I still understand the reasoning that some how wants to allow the non-voters to not own up to their mistake. If both parties were the same on the same issue of Palestine then that's an issue that cancels each other out, I am not saying this is not atrocious from both parties because it is. But the rest of Pro’s should have been more then enough to warrant an effort from the non-voters to make an effort to save their democracy, rights and freedom.
I have seen it time and time again after the election, “iT’s tHe MeSsAgInG”. If sound reasoning and logic was applied the red flags were very loud from the Trump camp that what he is visiting upon the US is what was going to be expected if he won. So no, I will always tell those non-voters that their inaction is what helped cause all of this and by a large factor.
I don't think Gaza issue was the deciding factor in the election, it's all the other stuff she should focus on.
I would agree it wa not the only thing but it was definitely one of the prominent ones.
I still fail how this lesson is not something that the voter base themselves need to learn as well. Again I feel that the retrospective is being pushed to much on to the Democratic party and not the non-voters themselves. I mean the difference between the Democratic and Trump campaign was not just a slight difference of policies. We are talking the Trump campaign was loud and proud with their racist and fascists remarks.
If the Trump campaign was better and louder at the messagng then why was his messaging in of itself not enough to motivate the voters?
The two biggest issues for non-voters was 1) Gerrymandering (they felt their vote did not matter), 2) Kamala was not compelling enough with a side note of Palestine also being part of this.
Both of which the Republicans are for point 1) to blame and for point 2) way worse with Palestine being equal on.
But sure I guess blame the Democratic party because they did not nail it 100% while the other guy was like Hitler lite throughout his campaign. If the non-voters do not have the balls to own up to their play in this then you lessons have not been learnt and there is a good probability it will be repeated. Provided of course you get a chance at another fair election.
I still fail to see your point tbh, thank you for sharing it though. I do always enjoy trying to change my perspective. For me though it just feels as if the non voters are essentially passing the blame on and not taking accountability for the shit show they find themselves in now.
Its not cynicism that brought me to my current perspective. It's a drive to learn from mistakes and be better from it. Something that non-voters I feel need to do as well. Let me demonstrate, if leading up to the election you were to write a pros and cons list, with Palestne being the only definite con for both sides. Given the rhetoric from both camps are you saying that the Democrats had more or the same cons as the MAGAt camp? If so I would be curious from your perspective what those other cons are? Ensure you are comparing them to the same rhetoric as the MAGAt camp during that time.
Hey thanks for talking about it though. I would argue it appears I am not the one set in my view point. You have not really presented anything to change my mind and have spent a great deal more time writing that monologue then it would have taken to prove my point. A simple task that all people should do when entering an election. The non-voters remain in my books the biggest disappointment in the US 2024 elections, when the other side was as blatant as they were in the racism, hatred and authoritarianism then blaming the other side for their poor messaging when they were the opposite is just poor form from the non-voters and as far as I am concerned just as much fodder for the leopards as the conservatives who voted to have their rights slowly stripped away.
The difference between the two parties was not just insignificant policy difference. You had one side literally boost hatred on a Haitian community, that was loud in their Nazi and authoritarian rhetoric. You are not applying the reflection needed to understand that when one side is like that and you don’t vote against it then you are also the problem.
You again fail to see my point, which is logic based. Its not vote blue no matter who. Its a simple task of pros and cons and actually paying attention to the rhetoric of both sides. In my view this is where the non-voters actually failed and they need to learn from their mistake. The pros and cons for those that appreciate democracy and don't ascribe to the hate that the right pumped out would have been a better way to ensure as a voter you knew what was at stake.
Sorry, your points still don't sway me. To learn and move past what happened, the non-voters need to take a large portion of the blame. Otherwise you are only pandering to their apathy, without them acknowledging this simple error on their part then the US will repeat this same error in the future.
Edit: I will add I have seen more self reflection and growth from former Republicans who realise that they fucked up by supporting him in the first place. A concept you and those non-voters are failing to grasp.
This one isn’t. This one is Obama’s. Lol
Imagine holding onto this. Yes, this wouldn't be happening under a democratic regime. But surely you recognize they are making just as much money here, right??? Schumer bitched out for a reason. As long as they get paid, the status quo continues.