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Finland plans to withdraw from the Ottawa convention banning anti-personnel landmines

Poland and the Baltic countries of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania said last month they will withdraw from the convention

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[–] hitwright@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Interesting, although most info about cluster munitions I've read were tube artillery (the leaving convention part). Since tube artillery has little in path correction. (There are a few, but most of it is not)

The countries will have to purchase or produce the ammunition, because they don't have it stocked. Though.

Just to be clear:

I completely agree that fragmentation-based ammunition is much safer for everyone involved.

I can also agree how it might have some additional Effectiveness in offenisveness, just because your not mining your path forward at the same time.

I also agree that such artillery might have little use against combined-arms based combat USA uses.

But I'm yet to see proof, that it beats air released cluster munitions, when trenches or foxholes are involved. A.K.A. The Great War style warfare. (Which Russia seems to be oriented with)

Also with current transparent battlefield, any artillery and single-use drones reign supreme. So with the new META changes it does feel that we're arguing about nothing substantial at this point.

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 1 points 19 hours ago

So with the new META changes it does feel that we’re arguing about nothing substantial at this point.

That is the actual point though. Not so much substantial for the actual war going on now (besides "hey, we still have those stocks and they are already paid for"), very substantial for the child getting his hand ripped of by a DPICM dud 10 years down the line.