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[–] copacetic@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

At this point I believe Rutte is purely acting for Trump and Putin.

[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It's his job to believe in NATO.

Doesn't mean we also have to.

[–] ironblossom@feddit.org 3 points 16 hours ago

NATO was designed to protect Europe from Russia. So today, it would be better off without the US in it.

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

It's his job to believe in NATO. Doesn't mean we also have to.

Exactly, it's our job as European to see that our security interests are adressed, (in) directly and amongst others, by Nato’s SG Rutte.

Also, there are several layers at play here;

  1. We need the US security umbrella and trade

  2. Even if we don't need it, you can't simply say " no" to the biggest economic military force in the world.

  3. When we are pressured by the East and West simultaneously, you need some real balancing act to remain in the field

  4. Rutte , other senior leaders & US senators, have offsite assured us, that Trumps frontpage politics are more of an internal domestic national electoral compaign. Like many say in the US say It's all deflection from Epstein files and other stuff.

  5. If anyhting is clear about Trump, it's that he's a liar and is untrustworthy.

  6. He has factually oftentimes illegally abused his US executive Powers in the USA with ICE.

  7. Internationallly, he's threatened Greenland, Canada, Panama etc, created an unconstitutional system of Tariffs.

  8. Recently, under his orders like a 100 poeple were executed in international waters, and per yesterday he suddenly bombed Isis camps in Nigeria

  9. Trump associates with known sexual predators, autocrats, war criminals, etc. And denies or sabotage the freedoms of his democratic opposition (and his own allies & partners#added)

In conclusion: Imo , Nato's SG Rutte statements are most likely either a redirection of Trump's lies, and partly it's his own manoeuvring for his own Political position. Personally, neither motivations are especially comforting. But at least it appears that Rutte's buying time, until we as EU and Friends can find an adequate solution which is being established by bilateral new security packages with countries like Canada, UK, Japan, Taipei etc.

[–] freeman@sh.itjust.works 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

He is not acting for Putin, at least not directly. Trump of course, he is the US president, leader of the free world.

There are thousands more in European military, politics and other institutions that are loyal to the US more than the EU. They grew up and came into whatever position they now hold in a system where Europe was de facto subordinate the USA for decades.

Needless to say for a truly independent Europe they are going to be a problem.

[–] HowRu68@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

There are thousands more in European military, politics and other institutions that are loyal to the US more than the EU.

There is alot to be discovered and said about this comment.

I'll start by commenting it's part of a mindset, belonging to people who have been culturally ingrained by a 80 years plus US military presence. In a similar fashion as Central Europe needed to come free from USSR, the Western part is now going through a parallel process with the USA. It could be part of a growing " independence" movement, with a maybe a new (European) core identity at heart.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

the Western part is now going through a parallel process with the USA.

Is it? The US has embraced Flooding the Zone. Trump is in power because the media controls the majority. The left knows what is wrong but they can do nothing, despite an abundance of scandals and irregularities that should have led to an impeachment a long time ago.

Europe's political positions are filled with US friendly politicians. The majority of the people is controlled by the same media companies. Europe can follow the US independend of the opinion of the critical population.

Best of all, Europeans have fully embraced the war with Russia. This made Europe entirely dependend on the US. So no matter how political parties change, the US can dictate politics.

All that while Europe hasn't built own chip factories or IT infrastructure, let alone world influencing software assets.

People have various ideas about which core values are important for the success of a movement and they will waste everything in fights for the necessary purity, especially if there is influence from the outside.

My hunch is that Europe's next steps have been accounted for. The US had helped to liberate eastern Europe. There is no external power that would help western Europe.

Of course that shouldn't lead to resignation. It just needs the awareness that the situation is very complicated.

[–] sepiroth154@feddit.nl 5 points 18 hours ago

He usually just purely acts in the interests of money. So yes.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 3 points 21 hours ago

Probably just buying time.