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What's your plan that doesn't utilize the existing fossil fuel industry at all to go cold turkey on oil and full throttle on renewable?
subsidize energy storage solutions that aren't as economically profitable as fossil fuels. like thermal batteries, pumped hydro, etc.
most people don't need that much energy during the night, so that is a red herring from the energy companies. the reason why we need this much storage in the first place is because of the infinite growth mindset instead of making industrialists pay for their own shit when they're consuming energy in a race to the bottom. if we banned all the slop products from being made, energy demand would go down exponentially.
in a worst case scenario, we could 100% only rely on renewables and deal with the fact that we'll have power outages during sleeping hours. that pill would be much easier to swallow if everyone is sharing the same burden, like during the lockdowns. and for the disabled people that need electricity to stay alive, give them refurbished EV batteries for free, there's already more of them on the market than we could use in a lifetime. same thing for hospitals and essential institutions
let me guess, you live somewhere winter doesn't exist.
couldn't be more wrong, also we have this thing called insulation and water tanks. we already use water loop radiators here, there's nothing stopping us from preheating the water to last us through the night. also, wear more layers instead of being a wussy
This is not even close to being a general solution. Lots of places do not have water loop radiators and it is not an easy retrofit at all. Lots of people cannot even afford additional insulation for their domicile. Telling the average person "don't be a wuss" is not a viable strategy to get them on board with supporting green energy.
Also heat pumps are the most efficient form of heating we have. They work best at a constant low/mid level, not completely shutting off for half a day and having to work extra hard to catch up in the morning.
Unless I'm mistaken, hydronic systems like those USUALLY require a pump to circulate the water.
that is correct and that would unfortunately be a problem if we expect everyone to own a boiler instead of building neighborhood thermal battery/central heating systems. a lot of post-soviet countries had perfectly functioning stations for doing exactly that, but they were torn down during neoliberal reforms instead of converting them to modern standards
Are you saying that if there was a thermal battery in neighborhood you wouldnt need pumps? You know how a fucking thermal battery works? You realize most of the central heating systems you're talking about heated the water by using coal plants to send super heated steam to them right? Where did you think that hot water came from? You're an idiot and people like you are part of the reason this goes so slow.