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[–] N0t_5ure@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm working on my exit strategy as well. While I agree that things in the U.S. are going to get much worse, everything is cyclical and there will be a time in the distant future when the U.S. gets its shit together again. The sad irony is that all of this is self-inflicted. None of this had to happen. All of the suffering so far, and the mass suffering that is going to occur as a consequence of a world superpower going rogue and then collapsing could have been avoided.

I'm a GenXer, and I feel fortunate to have been born and lived during what is now looking like "peak America". I've known nothing but peace and prosperity. Sure, there have been "wars" and "recessions" in my lifetime, but they have been relatively minor and not had a major impact on my life. The changes being wrought now by corrupt leadership supported by ignorant and malevolent people are destroying the very foundations of what made the U.S. great, and will inevitably result in the collapse of the greatest superpower the planet has seen so far. It's heartbreaking.

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm a X-Millennial cusp, landing on the X side of the fence. It is so wild to think about how insanely great the late 80s to late 90s were. Incidentally, I think 9/11 is when the switch flipped. I remember yelling about how the Patriot Act would end us.

It seems that it did.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Incidentally, I think 9/11 is when the switch flipped.

Also X-Millenial cusper. 9/11 probably eould not have happened if the Brook Brothers' riot had not been allowed to stop ballot counting and the subsequent SCOTUS ruling handed the presidency to Bush.

We never got Gore as a president but we've had gore to spare since George HW Bush took office.

I'm even more inclined to say this goes back to the Business Plot and Prescott Bush. Prescott's son, George Bush, would become head of the CIA before he was Ronald Reagan's vice president.

It likely goes even further back than that; the Bush and Walker families have had Nazi ties for generations. Timeline of Treason: The Bush Family Connections To The Nazis

[–] cheesybuddha@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

I think we can keep going back to the failure of reconstruction.

MAGA has a direct lineage from the slave holding CSA, to segregationists, southern strategy, moral majority, up through the Tea Party, the direct precursor of MAGA

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Even w/o 9/11 I think the cons would have eventually taken us here. Having a total piece of shit like Donvict in office and doing awful things is the culmination of decades of their extremist activism.

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think he would have been president without 9/11. The whole course of our trajectory changed.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Really hard to say, at least in my view. We did have Obama in the interim, although for all the hysterical (and hilarious) nonsense the right wing spews about him, Obama was basically a center-right politician, when properly viewed on the full spectrum. To hear a winger talk, he was a Marxist or something, LOL.

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[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly though, “greatest superpower the planet has seen so far” is already an argument to be had. China is really fucking powerful with their command economy.

[–] N0t_5ure@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

China does have a large economy, but it's military might so far isn't even close to the U.S.. For example, when it comes to power projection, the U.S. has 20 carriers vs. China's 7. Give it time and the ever-changing nature of warfare, and China may well eclipse the U.S. militarily, but as it stands now I'd say the U.S. military is much more powerful than China's.

[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 hours ago

Size is one matter, but technology is another worth pointing out. China has an economy that complements technological capacity in ways that the average American isn’t ready to comprehend. From what I understand, they were able to convert their phone companies to car companies on command. They can have an idea today, and a production line tomorrow. Who knows what a wartime China economy could produce?