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[–] BC_viper@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Just a reminder, peasants had a better vacation schedule then you do.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

A common misconception - medieval peasants, like most pre-modern subsistence farmers, have effectively no days 'off'. Even Sunday, the day of 'rest', has unavoidable work for a subsistence farmer.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You mean the animals and weeds don't also take Sundays off, and the water won't fetch it itself even on the feast of Saint Christopher?

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 0 points 2 days ago

Next I'll claim that people live in houses made of literal human and animal shit don't do so out of choice, and that high mortality rates from issues solvable by application of labor (rather than a lack of resources or technology/knowledge) aren't a rational decision made from The Poors(tm) in the medieval period partying half the year away with the consent of their local (and trusting) lords, unlike us modern puritans kept down by the man.

[–] Eq0@literature.cafe 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If I remember correctly, there is a bit of speculation on how that applied to the work schedule in cities, where the population was mostly of artisans that could take full days of rest.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If memory serves, Marx suggested that the 16th-17th century AD was a 'golden age' of the proletariat compared to the 18th and mid-19th century AD context he was writing in, wherein the negotiating power of the urban workers was at an all-time high compared to the negotiating power of their employers.

While modernity would offer some examples of successes from labor solidarity that outstrip it, and Marx's own access to modern archeological and historical analysis was limited, there is likely to be a fair bit of truth there. I remember reading an argument in support of a low-triple-digit number of working days needed, in terms of sheer wages and prices, during the Black Plague for a single agricultural laborer to support himself. I have my own long list of gripes with that analysis - that number only covered the 'subsistence basket' which excluded many goods and services which were not generally purchased even by laborers in the pre-modern day, but were nonetheless necessary; and by the authors' own analysis, was not enough to support even a single child - but it's much more defensible.

That being said, the claim in its original form comes in respect, explicitly, to the 14th century AD English peasantry, and from a legitimate scholar in the 1990s. I'm of the opinion that the legitimate scholar in question should have fucking known better, and the same with the smattering of scholars who today attempt to hold to a position that fucking no one who has spent a day on a farm in their lives (much less in a pre-market economy with both low circulation of 'convenience' consumer goods and low labor mobility and availability) would consider realistic for half a fucking moment; but there's no reading of evidence like a motivated one, and the claim came as part of a critique of capitalism.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's a common mistake made by people who can't tell the difference between "working" and "working specifically for their lord".

The first gives them food, shelter, water, clothes, etc etc. The latter gives them the right to use a plot of land to achieve the former. If you want to make a modern comparison, that vacation schedule only applied to the part of their work they used for rent.

[–] BC_viper@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I mean though, you ever mow a lawn? Lots of people work 7 days a week 365 days a year for themselves and for actual work. And some people work literally 80% of their paychecks for rent. So is it really that different?