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saying so in front of the daughter is low key savage.
But it always boggles my mind when adults are shocked and horrified that predators ...predate. Especially non-vegans.
Like Bro. Hommie needs to eat, and they can't live off beans. (well, maybe coyotes can.)
I'm glad I wasn't Disney'd in childhood. Better to know reality, than be deluded, made fragile and crippled by reality. Face the horror. Stop lying to children. Children become adults.
Grow up on a farm and you really have no delusions about how the world works. Although I did think teachers lived at the school so I was unclear with how Mrs Thatcher got pregnant.
I mean you grew up believing that it's healthier to eat meat rather than just more profitable to sell it, or that it is morally defensible in any way to create an intelligent creature and then force it into a state of utter lifelong dependency just so that you can exploit its biological processes, so I wouldn't be so sure about that "no delusions" thing. You're on your own supply.
Interestingly, I don't have issue with people who hunt for meat (provided they follow generally accepted responsible hunting practices), but I have a big fucking issue with animal agriculture.
The quoted section is the distinguishing factor. Creating sentient life for the explicit purpose of exploiting it really rubs me the wrong way.
Humans are part of nature too, and we have our animal instincts same as any other animal. Only thing that differs is our capacity to self-reflect and exercise agency over our place in the ecosystem. What matters is that we have respect for life and don't take it for granted. I agree that factory farms, hunting for sport or luxury goods like furs, etc. is wrong, but I don't see a problem with a small farm raising some animals as long as they're treated with respect and given a comfortable life. All animals - including us - are dependent on others for survival.
Meaningless appeal to nature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature
No one who breeds, murders, and butchers animals (or who pays to have those things done) has respect for life. You are lying to yourself so that you don't have to see yourself as a bad person. There is a better way not to see yourself as a bad person.
Farms do not "raise" animals. When you raise a child, you prepare it for life. A farm animal does not go on to enjoy life, they are killed in their absolute prime, because that is when the product is at its best. It's absurd that these lies are convincing to you, but we are eager to believe certain lies, aren't we?
it's not being used fallaciously
You kidding me? I only eat meat because it is cooked, and is what is available. I tried to secretly go vegan.
The mother of the last pig you ate was perfectly capable of raising her own young. But a farmer took that ability from her by locking her in a cage that was so fucking small, she could not even turn around or roll over. That's how a fucking farmer "raises" a fucking piglet. Enrichment? Meeting emotional needs? Basic medical attention for injuries? No. You are put in a cage so small you cannot move, until you die.
The lies you tell yourself are disgusting. Keep them to yourself.
you don't actually know any of that. your guessing.
and I won't pretend it's not
Seriously I've read this about 10 times and I still have no idea what you're going on about. It's healthier to eat meat than sell it, what?
What absolute grammar hellhole is this? What animal are you thinking of?
It's honestly not that hard, but you still managed to get it exactly backwards. Maybe with that hint you'll finally figure it out.