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[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 82 points 9 hours ago (13 children)

I just don’t understand why this is a difficult question. Make the data centers fund their own power needs. End of story.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

When unemployment is low in the construction sector, we can't have them pay. When they pay, they'll outbid us for workers who were previously building homes and public infrastructure. We'd either have to outbid cloud for these workers, or we'd pay by having higher housing prices and crumbling infrastructure, which incurs other social costs. Real resources are finite. The only way for us to not pay is for them to not build the power plants and datacenters. In a truly democratic system we'd be able to say no. In this system, capital outvotes us.

E: I'm not arguing that the corpos shouldn't pay. They should. I'm arguing the economic effect doesn't stop with that payment and we're still fucked.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 10 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

The resources are finite whether the taxpayers pay for the construction or the corporation that needs the electric upgrade pays.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 hours ago

Yes and my point is that even if the corpo pays, which it absolutely should, that's not the end of the economic effect when that resource is used to the limit at the moment. We will end up paying too.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Wouldn't the market just expand to absorb the extra demand?

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

The demand for construction workers? If so, it could, if there's enough unemployment. Otherwise workers from some other industry would have to shift to construction. Creating a shortage in that industry. Switching industries is a more difficult process than getting an unemployed worker to work in construction though. But if there's already a labour shortage in the construction industry, then that answers the question. There isn't enough unemployment or shifting from other industries to fill the demand. And there seems to be one.

If there's underemployment in construction or higher unemployment, then yeah, the construction labour market would likely expand without much effect in housing and infrastructure.

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