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Let’s turn this on its head then: what would be an acceptable way for me to provide any criticism whatsoever of a political party that doesn’t represent me well without being instantly called a *shuffles cards* Russian bot?
How about, "The system is broken in multiple ways, a list of which can be provided, and the behavior of most Democrats is merely a symptom or self-serving response to the state of that system"?
Yes all those DNC leaders are just innocent cogs in the system taking all their bribes that they just have to take.
So, are you saying that taking bribes isn't in their self-interest, or that there are no repercussions from taking bribes which would be a flaw in the system? There are the first two items you can put on that list I was talking about.
So your logic is that politicians should always do something as long as it’s not illegal? That sounds quite MAGA of you…
For someone who got so offended when someone supposedly put words in your mouth, you're pretty eager to do the same. If you design your system to only work when altruism is your guiding factor, well, look around. And if there are no serious penalties for breaking the standards, well, again, look around. And if you think having a system like that isn't going to attract people who are perfectly fine with screwing over the majority of the country for their own personal gain, guess what, we have a whole list of people who clearly have. If these don't sound like problems with the system to you, at least you know what flavor the different colors of crayons are.
To put it succinctly, bad actors will abuse the system for their own personal gain. Whether it be a quarterback having a football slightly under pressure so he can throw it better or a politician buying and selling stocks based on the announcements or decisions they're going to make in a few days, with no negative repercussions attached, then expecting anything less is a level of naivety I can't hope to describe.
But why do I have to vote for the bad actors and like them? Why can’t I criticize them without being called a Russian or Irianian or whatever?
I don't think anyone said you had to like them. And by all means, you can vote third party, or not vote at all. Now, how did we get here again? One more item for that list! I also already gave you a solution of how not to be criticized for being a bad actor, but you seem to be happier focusing on the symptoms rather than the causes.
I'm tired of dealing with your paper-thin arguments piecemeal. Feel free to search "flaws in American democracy" and read the answers by people far more educated in the field than me, and apparently you, and stop wasting the time of people here.
Your “solution” to the issue is still “don’t criticize any democrats”.
No, criticizing democrats, or republicans for that matter, isn't a solution. It's a first step at best, and masturbatory self-soothing at worst.
Expecting a system to change without criticizing it doesn’t make any sense.
I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said. The difficulty you're having with this conversation isn't something I can help you with.
Not the commenter, but I'm guessing the logic is less should and more will. We live in a world where most elites are sociopaths attracted to power like moths to light, and will always try to do the maximum they think they can get away with to benefit themselves. Proper political systems don't get rid of this because its a human nature thing, they weaponize it by organizing power structures to align those interests with sections of the people
Agreed, so why can’t I criticize those people without Dem guzzlers blowing up my DMs calling me a Russian?
Quite frankly, trying to flip congress within the current system is the only play rn. Even if the game is rigged, there's nothing we can do about it until the average people both see it and care enough to do something.
As for calling you a Russian troll...surely you can put together the implications there
Flip congress to what benefit? So they can fold on the shutdown and approve every appointment and reject every impeachment even harder? They will not do anything for you if you aren’t allowed to criticize them and hold them to account.
As if Russian bots were not just outted as major maga supporters. Do you live under a rock?! Maga is a psyop for m Russia to ruin America, and y'allkayda fell for it hook line and sinker
I didn’t fall for jack shit. You can criticize the bullshit useless DNC without wearing a red cap, you know.
You sure can, I was alluding to your "checks notes" as if that's just some gotcha out of left field. You are free to criticize both parties, all parties or no parties. The fact you have this shit show because the other guy "checks notes" didn't condemn Israel enough, unlike the guy that got in who is in bed with them and made the situation much worse, like everything he touches. Put your money where your mouth is or shut the hell up!