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Interesting report from the world of diplomacy and military alliance.

The headline quotation is a direct quotation of a non-American senior official to the Americans at the meeting.

80 years of effort to build up a world of shared values burned in under a year. 80 years of soft power tossed in the compost pile and recycled into fertilizer. 80 years of blood, sweat, and tears as Americans laboured to make the world safe for America.

All gone in the tantrums of a decrepit toddler.

Indeed, USA: We genuinely will never fucking trust you again.

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[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 26 points 4 days ago (13 children)

I can't say never because that's quite a long time to make guarantees but I imagine it would take at least a couple generations for the international trust in the US to return to comparable levels.

2017-2020 could have been a blip on the timeline. 2021 we had some progress but the US leadership was practically asleep at the wheel in terms of dealing with the open preparation of fascist takeover in 2025. Now in 2025 the largest military force in the world, its highest internal court, both its governing houses, the various departments that were supposed to serve the public interest are all led by a gaggle of self-serving clowns. And the country's commander-in-chief can barely remember what they said a minute ago and has trouble staying awake in public meetings.

So I think with a major reversal of fortunes and a program to de-Nazify itself at a scale unseen since WWII, the world could take the US seriously again after 2028 at the earliest. The trust will take a lot longer to come back.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 7 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Even if the democrats return to power they would have to clearly demonstrate a commitment to the old values. Not just words, actual actions would be required.

[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

So, an impossibly then. Their donors/sponsors/puppeteers are the same as the Republicans'.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah that's the issue really. A lot of Americans seem to think that I'd the Republicans loose the next election / they do badly at the primarys (assuming there is one, I have my doubts) everything will go back to normal. It won't.

I suppose a 3rd party might rise to power due to public distrust of the big two.

[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 3 points 3 days ago

I think Zohran Mamdani has a good chance of starting this.

That's exactly why the Democratic party never embraced him from the beginning; he's not playing by their rules, and he's not paid by their masters. I think that he and others like him have a very real chance of starting third political party in this country because it's not just that people are fed up with the Republicans or the people are fed up with the Democrats is that people are fed up with the complete ineptitude of both parties to get anything used for meaningful done.

In the case of the Republicans they play like there's some bad guy and they're fighting for their followers and pinning the blame on immigrants or trans people or blacks or whoever is convenient that year.

In the case of the Democrats they talk a good game but they never get anything done because if they actually solved something it would piss off the people giving the money. So like before when they had full control of house in Congress they didn't do shit. And then to keep from being voted out or to get voted back in they'll say hey at least we're not Republican.

I don't see the difference anymore because functionally they're doing the same thing, the Democrats are just quieter about it.

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