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[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The EU definitely helped. I'll add that this was actually kicked off by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) in 2014. They took Valve to court over their insistence that they can ignore Australian Consumer Law rights - in particular that if a product is 'not fit for purpose' then the buyer is entitled to a full refund, with respect to games. Valve offered no possibility of refund at the time. The case dragged on, but Valve eventually lost and was told to pay several million in fines, they appealed it to the High Court of Australia in 2016 - and lost also on appeal.

The judge was pissed at Valve, and wrote in their ruling:

“Valve’s culture of compliance was, and is, very poor”. Valve’s evidence was ‘disturbing’ to the Court because Valve ‘formed a view …that it was not subject to Australian law…and with the view that even if [legal] advice had been obtained that Valve was required to comply with the Australian law the advice might have been ignored”. He also noted that Valve had ‘contested liability on almost every imaginable point’.

Valve are generally a very positive force in gaming, but they're definitely not the saints that OP image text implies.

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/australia-fines-valve-over-steam-refunds

https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/valve-to-pay-3-million-in-penalties-for-misrepresenting-gamers-consumer-guarantee-rights

[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I have a pro-Valve bias because I do like them. But I still do want to make a fair argument and would like to be corrected if I fail to do so.

So, yes, Valve's refund policy in the past was bad, and yes, they were forced to change. But since then they have fixed their mistakes, and have arguably the most generous refund policy out there. Last time I bought digital content from Nintendo store I had to waive my refund rights.

They could have limited refunds to Australia but they didn't. This has to count for something, right? Valve is a for profit company in a capitalist system, and yes they have bad practices. But surely we can agree they are one of the better ones?

[–] diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago

Thanks for the info and sources!

[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

Thanks mate for adding the extra information, I had forgotten about the Australian ruling.