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[–] West_of_West@piefed.social 7 points 3 days ago (31 children)

I mean to be fair... groups that consider themselves far left also exterminate groups.

The trick is to not go too far. You wanna end up at Scandinavian liberal socialism, but not overshoot it to let's create a famine for kicks and kill all people wearing glasses.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (15 children)

I mean to be fair... groups that consider themselves far left also exterminate groups

[Citation needed]

The trick is to not go too far

Yeah, you wouldn't want society to become TOO egalitarian and fair! 🙄

You wanna end up at Scandinavian liberal socialism

Speaking as an actual Scandinavian leftie: nope. Not good enough.

Social Democratic Liberalism (which is what it actually is. Socialism is a very different thing) is still capitalist and thus exploitative at its core.

It's better than most, but it's far from the utopian ideal that people from the American Left tend to think it is.

but not overshoot it to let's create a famine for kicks and kill all people wearing glasses

You're thinking along the wrong axis there. There's a HUGE difference between ultra authoritarian leftism like that of the USSR and Pol Pot's Cambodia, and libertarian (original meaning, not bastardized American definition) leftism.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 8 points 3 days ago (13 children)

I'd argue that there is no such thing as authoritarian left, that the political compass makes more sense as a triangle, or perhaps that an authoritarian left would just be some unachievable meritocracy. All those Commie Bastards were just fucking Red Fascists.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It's actually a "The end justifies the means" situation - Marxism-Leninism tries to achieve Communism (the Perfect Equality utopia) via the Dictatorship Of The Proletariat stage, a form of Autocracy, and all tries so far in the so-called "Communist" countries got stuck in that stage.

So whilst the end objective is not authoritarian, it's used to justify means to supposedly get there which are most definitelly authoritarian though they're are supposed to be used only temporarily

Whilst I'm pretty sure in the very beginning of the Communist Revolutions most people in it were guided by leftwing principles and trully saw the authoritarianism as merelly a distasteful temporary need, nowadays in those countries the genuinelly leftwing grand objective seems to be just an excuse to be used in justifing the continued use of authocratic power by those who hold it, rather than something those in power genuine want and expect to one day reach.

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