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The worst-case scenario is now a possible one: European troops fighting off an invasion largely alone.

It’s by no means clear the Europeans would succeed. Romanian and other European officials at the exercise in Cincu, about 260 kilometers (162 miles) north of Bucharest by road, voiced concerns about how long it would take for NATO allies to make it to the front.

French four-star General Philippe de Montenon said he’s confident Europe could prevail, even without the US on side. “The direction of history is a progressive disengagement of the United States from the European continent,” he said.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (28 children)

That's not really how NATO works, but I can understand the sentiment of imagining the USA refusing to enact the articles upon a member being attacked.

[–] khepri@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (27 children)

I didn't think it was the sort of thing that could be refused? Aren't things like Article 5 basically a ride-or-die pact that obligates member nations to come to eachother's defense? At least in my understanding, being a part of NATO at all legally requires each nation to consider an attack against any one of them as an attack on all of them. It specifically isn't a "if you feel like it" rule, because that doesn't have the scary MAD implications of Article 5.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)

And how exactly would they force the United States to do anything?

“Join Us or we’ll start a two front war to make you join us” is hardly a convincing argument.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 2 days ago

Why would Europe engage in a two front war with the United States when it could instead just ignore the United States?

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