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The announcement happend years ago but the contractual relationship is still ongoing until the end of this year.
Realistically he would have needed to do an absolutely outstanding job for Red Bull to not fire him. He's only in that seat because Honda is paying for it. Same with reserve driver Iwasa.
Red bull is not interested in any Honda agents in their factory after Honda decided that they like being paid by Aston Martin more.
Aha, didn't know they still had a contract, thanks!
I wouldn't have thought that Red Bull would care that much about Honda's money though, they've got infinite money themselves. They seem perfectly happy to burn through as many drivers as they can to find a reliable number two, I think if Tsunoda had done a passable job then that could have been enough, even if only to give Hadjar another season at RB.
Who did you think provides their 2025 engines?
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I see it without the Honda more often than with, I thought that Red Bull bought the whole operation and Honda haven't really been involved at all for the last few years?
Then you didn't look properly. The Honda logo is quite big:
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No, wrong. Never been the case. Honda builds the engines and owns all intellectual properties. UK facilities (where the hybrid unit was at least partially developed) were about to be closed by Honda and Red Bull took it over. That's it and that's why Lawrence Stroll could throw money at Honda to convince them to return.
I've had a read and it seems it was the case a bit but then changed again:
That was basically a branding deal after the idiots at Honda acted only as fully paid contractor. That's why the 2022 engine was called Red Bull RBPTH001 and the only reference to Honda is the H in the model number.
This is unfair to Honda. When they changed their mind and decided to stick around in F1, they approached red bull again to partner them for the 2026 regulations. By that time, red bull had already established RBPT and spent a considerable amount of money to buy and set up facilities and poach talent from others. They told Honda that the only way a new partnership would work is if RBPT developed part of the engine and Honda part of the engine. Honda wanted full control over the design and development of the engine so a deal was not reached.
Only after not being able to get back with red bull did Honda go behind Aston and their money.
And how was my comment unfair to Honda when they were the ones who declined the RB deal?
The way you phrased it made it seem like Honda left red bull for monetary reasons when actually it was for technical details
They left Red Bull because they didn't want to fund a works engine program. Then their actions forced Red Bull to set up RBPT and because Honda wasn't interested in shared development, they went away and took Stoll's money instead.