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Italy’s parliament on Tuesday approved a law that introduces femicide into the country’s criminal law and punishes it with life in prison.

The vote coincided with the international day for the elimination of violence against women, a day designated by the U.N. General Assembly.

The law won bipartisan support from the center-right majority and the center-left opposition in the final vote in the Lower Chamber, passing with 237 votes in favor.

The law, backed by the conservative government of Premier Giorgia Meloni, comes in response to a series of killings and other violence targeting women in Italy. It includes stronger measures against gender-based crimes including stalking and revenge porn.

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[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

But the end result, the punishment… nothing is changing here. Is the general belief that labeling, and “bringing awareness” is going to stop anything? Is this similar to how labeling racism as racism in the USA has completely wiped out racism?

[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world -1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I hesitated whether to engage because your use of the word “completely” labels you a troll. You also put “bringing awareness” in quotes instead of using the word visibility, presumably to belittle the concept.

Visibility helps collect and track data, drive policy, reveal patterns, support victims and survivors, improve early intervention and prevention, and, hopefully, eventually, shift cultural attitudes.

But you could get that from Google if you gaf.

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world -1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

I didn't go to google to read the article, it was on Lemmy... thus, I asked Lemmy. You could probably infer that if you gaf but it seems your aim is to be combative. The word "completely" threw you off? It wasn't the sarcasm implying that "racism is cured now because of awarenes?" Best of luck...

[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 0 points 14 hours ago

Not at all, if your weren’t trolling, I hope your found those points helpful in describing the benefits of visibility.

One of the things I missed out was government accountability, where police departments have historically labelled these as isolated incidents, because the big picture is pretty sickening.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone -2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Because murder is usually 21 years, with egregious cases earning life. Femicide gets automatic life

Honestly it's like whingeing "why do you have to define first and second degree murder hurr its all murderrr". You're not clever.

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Is murder typically 21 years though in Italy? Yours is the only answer that's a reasonable answer if you're actually correct. In reading other comments in this post, I came to the understanding that the penalty for murder in Italy was life in prison already. I'm not versed in the punishments for breaking laws in Italy... I doubt a lot of people on Lemmy are.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Like most countries it varies based on circumstance

But that's not the point. It's a specific crime they are targeting here (your first hint is the name!)

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I read about it during my lunch break. Turns out, it’s just another sexist law applied by a conservative government.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone -1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

If you’re unable to process that the penalty for killing someone should not vary based on their gender, you, and the conservative government of Italy need help.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

In order for a murder to be femicide, it specifically needs to be perpetrated by a man and the victim needs to be a woman. Any other combination =/= femicide. In Italy now, femicide has a mandatory minimum sentence of life in prison. Murder has a mandatory minimum sentence of 21 years. A woman is inherantly 100% immune from being charged with Femicide by definition of the word. Thus, kill a man in Italy the mandatory minimum sentence is 21 years. Kill a woman in Italy, the mandatory minimum sentence is 21 years but in some cases the mandatory minimum is life in prison. It's an unequal application of penalty based on gender... sexism.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone -1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

In order for a murder to be femicide, it specifically needs to be perpetrated by a man and the victim needs to be a woman.

inexact and unnecessarily emotive. You've hinged your argument on a fallacy. Femicide requires very specific circumstances to be surrounding the crime of murder

Are you planning on killing women for misogynistic reasons? Are you planning on taking domestic abuse to its all too comment conclusion? Are you, in short, planning on committing murderous hate crimes? No? Then this consequence does not apply.

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

inexact and unnecessarily emotive. You’ve hinged your argument on a fallacy.

What fallacy? There will never be a male victim of femicide. It's not possible by the very definition of the word.

Femicide requires very specific circumstances to be surrounding the crime of murder

Are you planning on killing women for misogynistic reasons? Are you planning on taking domestic abuse to its all too comment conclusion? Are you, in short, planning on committing murderous hate crimes?

Concur. The circumstances require the perpetrator to be male and the victim to be female... along with everything else you mentioned. None the less, because of the first requirement (gender specificity) it is explicitly and intentionally discriminating on the basis of gender; which is textbook sexism.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

it is explicitly and intentionally discriminating on the basis of gender

How.

We are discussing murder victims here. They are not receiving preferential treatment. They are dead.

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

it is explicitly and intentionally discriminating on the basis of gender

How.

By the very definition of the word. The victim can only be female. That is an inherent discriminating point.

We're not talking about the victim; we're talking about the crime... the act of murder itself. Murder is a broad category and it covers everyone of all genders. Femicide is a specific type of murder that only applies under certain circumstances; but one of those circumstances requires the victim to be female. That is a gender based discriminating factor.

It's nothing about "preferential treatment;" it's about having different outcomes because of an intentional and explicit consideration based on gender.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 6 hours ago

Femicide is a specific type of murder that only applies under certain circumstances; but one of those circumstances requires the victim to be female. That is a gender based discriminating factor.

This is a common practise in law. Murder in and of itself does not have a specific single charge in most systems, it's categorised by intent and circumstance, ranging from manslaughter to crimes against humanity. Femicide is a subset of hate crime that has resulted in death due to misogynistic or sexist opinions, actions against women

A murder charge that factors in the context of the murderer's opinion of gay men as a factor in the crime is not discriminating against heterosexuals. It's merely a recognition that certain motivators and context involved in the crime (eg homophobia) have become so significant within society that they warrant their own classification. And as a classified crime, it now has the options for its own sentencing. That is what is occurring here.