You cannot know this a-priori. The commenter is clearly producing a stochastic average of the explanations that up the advantage for their material conditions.

For instance, many SoTA models are trained using reinforcement learning, so it's plausible that its learned that spamming meaningless tokens can delay negative reward (this isn't even particularly complex). There's no observable difference in the response, without probing the weights we're just yapping.

[–] entwine@programming.dev 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. By "the commenter" do you mean the human or the AI in the screenshot?

Also,

For instance, many SoTA models are trained using reinforcement learning, so it’s plausible that its learned that spamming meaningless tokens can delay negative reward

What's a "negative reward"? You mean a penalty? First of all, I don't believe this makes sense either way because if the model was producing garbage tokens, it would be obvious and caught during training.

But even if it wasn't, and it did in fact generate a bunch of garbage that didn't print out in the Claude UI, and the explanation of "simulated progress" was the AI model coming up with a plausible explanation for the garbage tokens, it still does not make it sentient (or even close).

[–] Tetragrade@leminal.space 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying. By “the commenter”

I was talking about you, but not /srs, that was an attempt @ satire. I'm dismissing the results by appealing to the fact that there's a process.

negative reward

Reward is an AI maths term. It's the value according to which the neurons are updated, similar to "loss" or "error", if you've heard those.

I don’t believe this makes sense either way because if the model was producing garbage tokens, it would be obvious and caught during training.

Yes this is also possible, it depends on minute details of the training set, which we don't know.

Edit: As I understand, these models are trained in multiple modes, one where they're trying to predict text (supervised learning), but there are also others where it's given a prompt, and the response is sent to another system to be graded i.e. for factual accuracy. It could learn to identify which "training mode" it's in and behave differently. Although, I'm sure the ML guys have already thought of that & tried to prevent it.

it still does not make it sentient (or even close).

I agree, noted this in my comment. Just saying, this isn't evidence either way.