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GrapheneOS is being heavily targeted by the French state because we provide highly secure devices and won't include backdoors for law enforcement access. They're conflating us with companies selling closed source products using portions of our code. Both French state media and corporate media are publishing many stories attacking the GrapheneOS project based on false and unsubstantiated claims from French law enforcement. They've made a clear threat to seize our servers and arrest our developers if we do not cooperate by adding backdoors. Due to this, we're leaving France and leaving French service providers including OVH. We need substantial help from the community to push back against this across platforms. People malicious towards us are also using it as an opportunity to spread libel/harassment content targeting our team, raid our chat rooms and much more. /e/ and iodΓ©OS are both based in France, and are both actively attacking GrapheneOS. /e/ receives substantial government funding. Both are extremely non-private and secure which is why France is targeting us while those get government funding. We need a lot more help than usual and we're sending our the first ever notification to everyone on the server because this is a particularly bad situation. If people help us, it will enable us to focus more on development again including releasing experimental Pixel 10 releases very soon.

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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I see a wall of text like this, with no links or other sources, hmmmm....

That's how I remember the main dev from almost 10 years ago, that's why I stopped following them.

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

99% of posts I see from graphene are rambling about how nothing else is secure, and how shit everything else is.

They need to learn that different threat models exist. And that for many people, repairability and supporting local companies / not supporting megacorps (Google) is more important than perfect security, while still wanting privacy.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago

99% of posts I see from graphene are rambling about how nothing else is secure, and how shit everything else is.

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[–] pantherina@feddit.org 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Which sounds bad, but tbh it is kinda true. Most alternative "ROMs" have major security flaws like no verified boot support because the install method is weird and the devs dont ship the keys for whatever reason

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yes. But again, top security is not a priority for many. Actual security would be using a full disk encrypted linux device and storing it in your asscrack every time you don't use it anyway.

[–] pantherina@feddit.org 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

This is ironic but still

  • Android phones are encrypted? And Pixels have secure elements, making brute forcing impossible
  • disk encryption doesnt matter shit as physical attacks are like 10% of them
  • your device is decrypted all the time
  • desktop linux is a total security mess (I am using it daily and try to improve it but it is hard)
[–] pantherina@feddit.org 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

The thing is, GrapheneOS is not just top secure.

It is also reliable and has basic security features.

CalyxOS is dead (and has had a very bad track record), LineageOS and iodeOS have a weird install method that prevents bootloader locking.

Dont yet know details about iodeOS and /e/OS.

/e/OS had proprietary AI integrations tho.

They really dont fulfill basic requirements.

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 0 points 6 days ago

It runs. This is the only requirement.