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Xi Jinping told Donald Trump during a phone call on Monday that Taiwan's "return to China" is a key part of the post-war international order, state news agency Xinhua reported.

"China and the United States once fought side by side against fascism and militarism, and should now work together to safeguard the outcomes of World War Two," Xi was quoted as saying by Xinhua.

China regards Taiwan as part of its territory and has not ruled out the use of force to take control of it, though the island's government rejects Beijing's claim and says only Taiwan's people can decide their future.

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[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 44 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"Return to China" doesn't even make sense from a historical standpoint. Xi must have studied under the same history professor as Putin.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yep. Taiwan is the original government. The CCP is the new government. The old government can't return to the new government. You could be undeservedly diplomatic and assume the statement was mistranslated. And that they were talking more about a reunification of the people. But threats aren't a good way to do that.

[–] brendansimms@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When you say 'Taiwan is the original government', what year are we talking here? [I am actually interested in a history discussion, I'm not trying to just be contentious] My understanding is that the current gov is only ~70 yrs old and is the remnants of the RoC. The RoC fled the mainland after losing the civil war to the commies, and then they took over the island and instituted martial law for like decades and tried to erase the indigenous peoples culture. Before that it was ruled by Japan at one point, mainland China at one point, and the Dutch at another point, i think Portugeuse were there for awhile. I dont think there was ever a united, one island government formed by the indigenous peoples. I'm not saying that Taiwan should welcome China with open arms - not at all- I'm questioning the support of their current government. As i finish writing this paragraph, I'm thinking I need to do some reading on the socioeconomics of modern Taiwan...

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You're broadly correct, with the important caveat that when the KMT fled to Taiwan, they didn't relinquish their claim on the mainland. The KMT said "we're the real government, the CCP is a usurper" and the CCP said "we won the war on the mainland, therefore Taiwan automatically belongs to us because... reasons"

This is futher complicated by the fact that when Japan relinquished Taiwan after WWII it was technically ceded to the RoC.

In any case, the government of Taiwan is technically the oldest of the two extant "Chinese" governments, so it makes no sense for the CCP to say that Taiwan needs to rejoin it.

[–] Makhno@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Chiang Kai-shek was a murderer and a rapist. Fuck the original chinese government. It was literally just warlords fucking around

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

All governments are murderes and rapists, so unless you're advocating for worldwide anarchy this is just whataboutism.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 1 points 12 hours ago

It was a logic experiment and not a defense. Of anyone. Is it a dig at a despot like Xi? Absolutely and deservedly so.

[–] How_do_I_computah@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's almost as if Putin just called him and said "Ok, this is what you say to get American support for invading your neighbor."

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Bro, okay, let me give you a five hour lecture on the last thousand years of Russian history and everything will be crystal clear.

Bro, where are you going?