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US army secretary briefs ambassadors at ‘nightmare meeting’ in Kyiv on Friday after talks with Ukrainian leader

US officials have told Nato allies they expect to push president Volodymyr Zelenskyy into agreeing to a peace deal in the coming days, under the threat that if Kyiv does not sign, it will face a much worse deal in future.

The US army secretary, Dan Driscoll, briefed ambassadors from Nato nations at a meeting in Kyiv late on Friday, after talks with Zelenskyy and taking a phone call from the White House. “No deal is perfect, but it must be done sooner rather than later,” he told them, according to one person who was present.

The mood in the room was sombre, with several European ambassadors questioning the content of the deal and the way in which the US had conducted the negotiations with Russia without keeping allies informed.

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[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

or the argument holds water and also the US has consistently been in the wrong for the same reasons

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Well yes. And... yes. But we can't be telling the Russians to stop being imperalist when the people we're allied with are the biggest imperialists in the history of the world (more or less/depending on how you quantify it).

The cold war is most certainly still in effect. I'm not too fucking happy with what the US has been doing since the... uh... like, 50's? That's three quarters of a century, I could list a few atrocities and name names you know. I'm European. I care about Europe, I care about democracy, I care about peace and quiet and perhaps a naive idealist concept of a (mostly) enlightened way of living.

I don't know where I'm going with this.

What do you believe in?

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 points 7 hours ago

geopolitics is consistently hypocritical… especially when it comes to the US… we absolutely can, and should be telling everyone to stop being imperialist but in lieu of that, we can just tell russia to cut the shit