And so, okay, instead of discussing like this, or rather arguing, I want us to take a step back and ask, "what is it that we're actually trying to achieve here?"

Is the goal to "win" the argument? Is the goal to look at a different perspective? This isn't a debate club, there is nothing to gain here, except our personal knowledge or understanding of something

And so, on that note, you said how this is exactly how leftists shoot themselves in the foot with arguments like this, but like, who is trying to argue here? And for whom? As far as I can tell, you are the one trying to win some argument, I'm just trying to have a discussion about terms in a, presumably, left-leaning environment where we're all already roughly on the same page. From an external point of view, what people see is you mostly going off on others

When you say I'm chastising you, that's literally your imagination, it's not what I'm trying to do at all. So please don't put words in my mouth, okay?

The point others were trying to make, is that it's useful to talk about the working vs the owning class. And I further tried to get across that it's useful to have this sort of knowledge, and that using terms loosely isn't helpful for one's understanding of a topic. This is something that I speak from personal experience. It's basically just an argument for political literacy

But if I didn't get that across properly, then I apologize. I could have spent a bit more time explaining myself