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[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 29 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

"when you agree to turn this feature on..."

Bitch I didn't turn it on! At the very least, I was conned into implied consent.

Whats the go-to non Google email?

[–] BunScientist@lemmy.zip 12 points 14 hours ago

I believe tuta might be the best easily available alternative (besides hosting your own)

[–] GlitchyDigiBun@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

Outlook/Hotmail and it's not even close. If you really want secure and non-scummy email, host your own MX sender. Make sure DMARC is up to date or you'll hit spam filters all the time. You may also want to add a 2nd public IP for the purpose.

[–] DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world 10 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I assumed that Outlook was to be avoided based on the Microsoft connection. Is that not true? Sorry - I'm not in the loop here.

[–] GlitchyDigiBun@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I trust them marginally more, personally. But more for their sensitivity to privacy law over some of the underhanded by-the-numbers approaches that Google uses, banking on human laziness to miss a checkbox or not sync'd across browser, mobile, and core account profiles.

Microsoft is very much in the business of making other businesses personally trust them, and that seems to extend to their privacy notices and settings.

Then again, they might just hide it better than google. Anyone with a source can chip in.

Source: MSP Escalation Tech who has been asked specifically by businesses whether G-Workspace or MS365 is more secure, from a privacy standpoint. I have not looked into free outlook accounts per-se, but the backend is the same and it's trivial to set up a 365 business tenant with all the bells and whistles if you want to pay a license fee.

[–] londos@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The logic I follow is that Microsoft is slightly safer than Google, if only because they're probably less capable of doing anything with the data they scrape. Security by incompetence.

[–] GlitchyDigiBun@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Incompetance doesn't build and maintain the world's leading Operating System... But I believe it has more to do with the privacy scare with Windows 10's launch, during the Alexa/Cortana/Siri always-on-mic stuff.

[–] londos@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe incompetence was too strong a word, but interacting with many MS services feels so disjoint and siloed, I just don't see them building and leveraging user profiles as extensively as Google does.

[–] GlitchyDigiBun@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

Now that is a true statement. Google loves their "everything in one bucket" style of computing. MS is service-based. They have a framework (rn that's Azure, but Windows is also a framework) and bells and whistles get added as needed.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

I understood a few of those words.

[–] uninvitedguest@piefed.ca 2 points 8 hours ago

I use Tuta, though will probably switch to something a little more agnostic like Mailbox.org when I'm up for renewal.