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[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

It's looking more realistic. Twice now American voters have picked the absolute worse person imaginable over a woman.

The first time we can excuse with ignorance, but the second time around there was no excuse. We knew what he did the first round and he's doing it again for a second.

The only logical explanation I can find is there is a subsection of the population unwilling to vote for a woman.

Obviously yes each campaign had it's issue we can go into, but when you look at the opposition it's hard to find the logic

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Twice now American voters have picked the absolute worse person imaginable over ~~a woman~~ an awful candidate who refuses to consider the wants and needs of the base and happened to be a woman.

Fixed it for you. While I'd never go to such ridiculous lengths as to say that sexism isn't a serious systemic problem, that's not why Hillary and Kamala lost.

It wasn't that people aren't ready for a female president. It was that the vast majority of people to the left of fascism are more than ready for a president that listens to them more than to owner donors, strategists stuck in 1992, and other unrepresentative power brokers

The only logical explanation I can find is there is a subsection of the population unwilling to vote for a ~~woman~~ "Centrist"

Fixed it for you again.

Nobody except the aforementioned owner donors, strategists stuck in 1992, and other unrepresentative power brokers want "Republican mild" candidates with no substance except an almost religioud reverence for the broken system that has enabled them to fail upwards for decades.

Obviously yes each campaign had it's issue we can go into

Understatement of the decade.

when you look at the opposition it's hard to find the logic

Not really no. When you consider the following, it makes a sick sort of sense:

  1. Republicans are many times more effective at messaging. This is mainly because they're much less likely to be constrained by such details as objective reality, ethics, and authenticity, but their propaganda is nonetheless MUCH more effective than the thrice-measured sound bytes of the Dem leadership.

  2. In the vast majority of states, it's MUCH more difficult and time consuming to vote in the kinds of neighborhoods that skew more Blue and diverse than Red and filthy rich.

During covid, the number of absentee ballot dropoff points in the most populous county in Texas (Harris, almost 5 million) was decreased to ONE, all the while country clubs of a hundred members still had their own official polling station and even impoverished Red areas are typically rural so there's not many people per polling station

  1. The combination of 1, 2, and other election tampering means that it takes a LOT more to get the entire Dem base to vote than for the Fascist Party base.

As a result of this, Dems NEED a candidate that's inspiring enough that even the most jaded will go way above and beyond the amount of effort it SHOULD take in order to vote for them.

Neither Hillary nor Kamala was anywhere close to being that candidate and they wouldn't have been if they were men either.

And before you go "but the man Biden won! Checkmate!", I'd like to remind you that he actually won the popular vote by a smaller margin than Hillary did, and that he did so during an active pandemic that the incumbent fascist had been failing to manage so spectacularly that anything other than a landslide victory would be extremely worrying for the future of the Dem party.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

I love the argument that the Dems must run the ideal canidate to beat an 80 year old fascist. That the reason Americans picked hate isn't because they could possibly be prejudiced against women, but that they just don't like centrists and need to be more inspired to do anything.

I think the answer is plainly far too many Americans are too hateful.

Also love the "no you can't use the example of the male centrist winning because that would make my point bad", solid argument

Now credit where credit is due I do think a progressive canidate would have had a much better chance. I just also believe there are too many old, sexist, hateful Americans that will never vote for a woman. Hopefully they die out and that changes

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I love the argument that the Dems must run the ideal canidate

You may, but that's not the argument I made. Please refrain from strawmen and other logical fallacies if you can.

That the reason Americans picked hate isn't because they could possibly be prejudiced against women, but that they just don't like centrists and need to be more inspired to do anything.

Again with the strawmen. Misrepresenting my argument isn't a good way to bolster your own.

I think the answer is plainly far too many Americans are too hateful

Sure, you'd think that if you willfully ignore all of the contributing factors I and others have ever mentioned beyond "fascists are just voluntarily bad for no reason other than being bad" 🙄

Also love the "no you can't use the example of the male centrist winning because that would make my point bad"

Again with the strawman. The male Centrist BARELY scraping by against the most hated incumbent in history SUPPORTS my argument.

You either have the reading comprehension of a toddler or the capacity for arguing in good faith of a Republican politician, so I'm not gonna waste any more time on your willfully obtuse ass. Have the day you deserve

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 2 points 22 hours ago

You may, but that's not the argument I made

I mean it is, but okay

"fascists are just voluntarily bad for no reason other than being bad"

So you want to explain the reasons to be a good fascist?

You either have the reading comprehension of a toddler

So you find "strawmen" (none were used btw) too offensive and disingenuous but you find the need to resort to an ad hominem.

I'm not gonna waste any more time on your willfully obtuse ass.

Uh oh another ad hominem. This must be very upsetting!

Have the day you deserve

Don't you worry I'm already on it. It's a rainy day with some chance of snow and I get to enjoy being about 4,000 miles away from the orange fascist. Don't worry I'll get a mail in ballot or vote early for midterms if the fascists don't dismantle our democracy by then. Otherwise I'll enjoy being an ocean away for the next couple of years