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Unpopular opinion: I say give her a chance. I’ve been watching a lot of conservative YouTube stuff ever since the Charlie Kirk bullshit. There’s a pretty substantial portion of former MAGA that actually have relatively leftl-leaning views, that haven’t figured out their views are pretty far left. A lot of those folks are kinda dumb, but if they start voting like me, I will not complain. Don’t shit on their potential awakening. I’d really like to see some reverse Fettermans.
You have no idea how many times I saw people saying this about Trump's first term before he started.
She has no values, she is a rat sensing the ship sinking before anyone else. They all know when Trump dies there will be zero leadership in the GOP and people are going to swing hard left to avoid the pedo circus.
Seriously this, what has she ever done to earn giving her a chance? The only reason she's speaking out is because she's now immediately affected, but couldn't give a shit before when others were in the same position as she is now.
Believe it or not, I wasn't born in the past 9 years. I heard it too.
uh huh... that changes absolutely nothing about my comment.
Okay what exactly do you propose we "give her a chance" about? Retaining power? Seeking MORE power?
Do you genuinely believe with all that's at stake, we should allow a snake who was openly a snake from the start and been one of the major liars and deceitful MAGA celebrities since the first Trump term, actually keep all she has taken?
Or by "give her a chance" are you saying: "We should not attack her or call her a liar so that we encourage more people to shift over, even performatively"?
Because fuck that from the top all the way to the bottom as well. Allowing masked-conservatives and GOP-aligned sellouts to be our representatives is how we ended up with a completely useless democratic party, we don't WANT them to switch over, we want them to have NO HOME, we need to make actual political and social consequence for aligning with fascists and radicals and domestic terrorists.
She's historically been pretty terrible. I don't fault you for thinking that of her. I think it too... however, there's like a 1% chance she might be genuine. I won't write her off completely yet. I still don't like her platform, but I'd prefer someone on the right that actually wants to come up with a plan for healthcare if they're going to oppose Obamacare. If she says she's going to tone down her bullshit, I say give her a chance to prove it. It doesn't mean you have to forget where she came from.
You still haven't said what it means to "give her a chance" so I am convinced you're not being serious here.
Are you daft?
In the last comment I said give her a chance to prove it, meaning, you really have nothing to lose by watching what she does for a while.
Your language is daft. Words have meaning, so when you prescribe something "giving her a chance" that has meaning, it calls for something but you're dancing around what that something means. And since you STILL are not making even an attempt to clarify that meaning, I will block you and write you off as a child or shill.
Well, ultimately, you don’t really have any choice other than to bitch and cry about her existence (like she does regarding so many others) or you can shut your fucking mouth and deal with it. I could not give a fuck less what you do at this point. Goodbye. Good riddance.
I guess you're right.
We shouldn't give republicans the opportunity to redeem themselves. Let's make sure they're our enemies for life.
That's smart.
Where the fuck have you been the last few years? You think we're going back to some kind of Obama-era civility politics? People are being harmed and people will die because of these monsters. We should NOT give them any chance to "redeem" themselves, they should face consequence for HURTING PEOPLE.
This is some out-of-touch, misplaced sympathy for the devil.
Unfetteredmans.
We can hope, certainly. There are a lot of entities looking to capture them, though, and the wages of sin are actually pretty good, counted solely in gold. They buy a lot of advertising.
Look... I'd love for this to be genuine and real, but the chances of that being true are SLIM TO NONE. She's been doing this for a decade, and barring any proof she just started taking meds for a newly diagnosed mental condition, I can't believe any of this is real.
She's pulling a scam. I don't know who the target is yet, but this is not genuine.
I don't disagree, but some of the shit she's saying is better than her peers. Scam or not... its something.
The only way to give her a chance is if she commits, right now, to vote to impeach Trump. If she does this, then I'll say she's serious.
I say this as a once very strong and vocal conservative who has now turned full 180-almost anarchist progressive.
When was your turning point?
Trump 1. When I saw very close friends who voted for Trump, not because of who he was but the fact that abortion would be over turned.
That's when I knew that these people would vote in Satan himself if he promised to get rid of abortions.
It took almost 2-3 to get from "I'm not voting for Trump" to progressive.
I sat in the middle for a while as a conservative leaning independent but still caring about social issues. But once I understood that conservatism was really about oppression, I hard lefted to be a progressive.
Also, this isn't sports. As much as they want you to think it is.
We don't want turncoats. Even if they mean it, there's no guarantee they will also "mean it" when they switch again. They will learn to use the party switch as a safety net to get buyouts and accept donations from whoever and whatever and stand up for any atrocity, then when consequences approach "OH NOES I WAS TRICKED"
I don't accept this framing. Would you let Fetterman back in if he swore up and down on a stack of sweatshorts that he was now "so sorry" that he represented genocide and voted against every progressive measure and became a darling for the right? The whole idea here is that one direction is evil. It is very bad. Not saying dems are even much better, but there are positions that you don't come "back" from, it's the openly evil party, they will take anyone to further their goals. Those people don't represent me, and people who can't figure it from the start also don't represent me. Fuck them, they had every chance.
But then, I guess people take cheaters back every day too.
You just like being outraged.
I have been directly harmed by her party and the people she works for. I do not fucking enjoy it at all.
You and most other people on Lemmy… join the club.
What does that even mean in this context? How does that address either your obtuse and childish point that I "like being outraged" or that I have suffered material harm? Are you just typing things? are you a bot?