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Everything is end to end encrypted. So conpmpromising any servers would mean nothing.
The issue is only if some client apps introduce a back door. Which is way easier to do in closed source apps - like Whatsapp as compared to opensource Signal. So in a sense this would increase security since you can now use more trusted client app...
End to end is just a buzzword when you control both ends.
And now they will not be able to control both ends. Previously it was just a buzzword. They are giving me a chance to control at lease one end. And now I will be able to convince my friends to migrate away from whatsapp... So whatsapp will control no ends of my communications.
Well, maybe. But if it goes tjrough without some "bugs" or simply good features missing, we will see how good the e2e really is
You just disproven your own first point.
If you chat with somebody and they have a client that is closed source and thus can not be trusted - your conversation is not secure, even if your client is open source and trusted and secure.
So interop makes end to end encrypted communication as a whole less secure, not more.
No I have not.
You will only use one client app. The one you trust the most. One opensource, trusted and having its code regularly independently audited - like Signal. So in general this will improve my security.
Even if you account my contacts are using the official whatsapp app, that cannot be trusted since it is not audited by public.
Previously I had to use Whatsapp app to to talk with them. Not the other way around. So if Whatsapp app is backdoored this does not reduce security at all. While it improves convenience by a lot.
But now is way easier for me to convince my contacts to use apps that can be trusted. which will reduce the chance of my communication being backdoored and increase my security.
ah I see where our views split. I just told people what app to find me on and I'd rather call or write mail than use whatsapp for a tidbid of convenience.
So from my pov the interop will reduce security. From your pov it will be at worst equally insecure.
I tried that too. But at some point I figured I communicate with most people over email and SMS. Which are objectively far worse technologies that any agency can use to spy on.
Especeally if we are comparing this to e2e whatsapp app. Even if it is backdoored, still less agencies have access to it as compred to SMS or email.
telecom is usually enceypted unless you get knocked down to lower g and I never suggested E-Mail or SMS.