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Fuck religions.
Counterpoint for Judaism: The Torah explicitly states that Jews do not own the land until the Messiah returns. So technically Shumer is not correct
Religious Jews from organisations such as Naturei Karta frequently demonstrate against Israel.
Bar Kokhba was identified as their messiah, during the third and last Roman-Jewish war. Bar Kokhba genocided every greek and roman person he could find and created a new "Israel" for about 2 years. The Romans eventually marched back in with a massive army of 12 legions and counter genocided the whole place, shattering Judaism for a millenia.
I'd recommend reading the wikipedia articles from 2021, as that wikipedia has been a battleground of rewrites in the past 4 years, all focussed on rewriting it completely to change the narrative to Romans: pretty bad, jewish rebels: pretty good.
heres the older version: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bar_Kokhba_revolt&oldid=1039570569
Heres the current rewritten one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Kokhba_revolt
Not that I support it but the Vatican is VERY DIFFERENT than Israel. It has no real power by design and is not an autonomous country by any means
The Vatican? I mean, some number of billion dollars and quite an impressive userbase.
I think you meant like armies and weapons etc., though, which is fair enough.
I meant political power
Uhhh... They have kind of absurd political power. The Vatican is essentially the decision making body of something a close to an international political business with a history of teaming up with governments to support initiatives.
Like look at the genocidal regime of residential schools in Canada. While they were a government initiative 2/3 of them were run directly by the Catholic church.
Political power doesn't always mean strictly "interfaces directly with official government" either. Politics is the web of citizen buy in to how the world should be run. The Catholic Church is incredibly influential on citizens many of whom take the directives of the church and translate it into agency in a multitude of ways. It's not a perfect control but it's certainly used to shape the political landscape the world over.
While I agree with your premise they did plan an assassination of the leader of a country back in the late 30s early 40s. Everyone was just cool with it because it was Hitler.
I'd say that's a far cry from planning a genocide
The couch fucker, untold numbers of the Trump admin (including RFK), and half the Supreme Court are a Catholics, and not the friendly rapist grandpa kind, the weird no contraceptive, private schooling, and also rapist conservative Catholics.
It's amazing how many opinions are framed as if the world has a Mom and Dad who should be enforcing what's right.
fuck you
Lmao triggered a cultist
Fuck your mother too
Boring