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It sounds like a bunch of Democrats want to cave in exchange for no concessions whatsoever. Edit: Bloomberg has more details

Current likely Democratic votes for this:

  • Shaheen - NH
  • Hassan - NH
  • King - ME
  • Fetterman - PA
  • Peters - MI
  • Durbin - IL
  • Warner - VA
  • Kaine - VA
  • Ossoff- GA
  • Warnock - GA

If you want to change things, you need to call their DC office NOW, and leave an email if you can't.

Edit 2: enough Democrats joined the Republicans to reopen the government with no real concessions.

The list:

  • Durbin
  • Hassan
  • King
  • Cortez Masto
  • Kaine
  • Shaheen
  • Rosen
  • Fetterman
  • Schumer
  • Gillibrand

There was a caucus meeting right before this, so the bulk of the Senate Democrats were likely OK with giving in, even if not willing to vote for it in public

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[–] I_Jedi@lemmy.today 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Let's play a game.

Suppose the Republicans shut the government down in 2026. They want to pass a law that makes Trump president for life. The Dems vote no.

One month passes. What happens?

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They don't have near enough votes to amend the Constitution, so it wouldn't happen whether the government were open or not.

[–] I_Jedi@lemmy.today 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or they can just...you know...ignore that part.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Of course. But proposing a law that will never get passed doesn't affect that one way or the other.

[–] I_Jedi@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It will pass given the proper incentive. Just need to make the Dems sweat a bit, and they'll pass anything.

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Rhe point being made is that a law on the books in direct contradiction of the Constitution does nothing. If they want to keep Trump in power past '28 without modifying the Constitution, then a law such as the one suggested would make literally no difference, legally.

[–] I_Jedi@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh, I'm sure that the Supreme Court can think up of something to make it legal. There's a popular theory going around that Trump might go the "first term of the 47th" route to remain in power. If the SCOTUS goes with that definition, then Trump gets a third term without adding any amendments.

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How?

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice[...]

Nothing about "no presidency shall last more than two terms" or "no President shall be elected more than twice" to make a "47th" argument. No person.

Is Trump 45 a different person from Trump 47? If so, then can we prosecute Trump 45, who is not currently President, for his crimes? I mean, of course his own DoJ wouldn't. But still.

[–] I_Jedi@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This is how. I'll put the relevant amendment part here so we know what we're working with:

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

The SCOTUS can claim that the office of President renews, and the old one ceases to exist. Thus, they can say that Trump was elected to the 45th and 47th offices of President, each once. They can further state that the 22nd amendment specifically refers to being elected to one of these particular offices of President, of which 47 have existed to date.

The SCOTUS can then conclude that, since Trump has not been elected to the 47th office of President more than twice, he is eligible for a second term of the 47th office of President. To us, this would be his third, but to the SCOTUS, it would be his second.

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I can't see how anyone would go with this. He also has never been the 48th President, so why not let his number just increment.

Also, the amendment uses the definite article, "the office of the President". Not an office, or office of a President. I understand that 5 justices can just say whatever the hell they want, but virtually anyone would understand this is neither the intent NOR the most sensible reading of the text.

[–] I_Jedi@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That's what a potential shutdown in Trump's third term would solve.

For 2028, go with the 2nd term of 47th logic to get Trump in again.

Then, pass a new law to clarify the index logic, and allow for Trump's time as 47th to transition into 48th in 2032. Shutdown the government to force the Dems to vote yes on it.

Trump remains President until the day he dies.