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This might be true for the non-US anglosphere but I guarantee you if you walk into a normal coffee shop in germany and ask for 8 ounces (or rather "Unzen") of anything they'll blink fast and ask if ounce wasn't a measurement for gold or something.
And a cup of espresso is usually around 25ml (so a bit under 1 fl oz).
i don’t know what to tell you mate, but i have, and do this regularly: i travel to berlin yearly and drink multiple coffees per day when im there… they have them labelled as their size names, but they are 8oz-12oz sizes: what they call them is irrelevant; it’s the standard when buying the cups, so they are 8oz etc sizes
it’s also kinda irrelevant what a shot of espresso is: they come in 4oz cups… this is the standard that a cafe will give… a shot of espresso is a shot of espresso; the volume of liquid doesn’t really change, and you wouldn’t pay more for a larger amount without extra coffee anyway
for flat whites etc, the standard GLOBALLY is an 8oz cup with a single shot (or sometimes 2 depending on the bean - really that can vary depending on the cafe and how mild their beans are) full to the top with steamed milk… that’s it - there’s no ifs buts or maybes… it’s the same in germany, it’s the same in france, it’s the same in belgium, it’s the same in australia, and yes it’s the same even in the US
even starbucks behind their ridiculous names for their cups use standard cup sizes: a short is 8oz, a tall is 12oz, a grande is 16oz
...I think I understand the source of the confusion here.
You think 8-12-16oz is the standard in coffee shops worldwide, because to you, "coffee" means "latte", and "coffee shop" means "place that sells latte in plastic to-go cups", whereas the standard unit of coffee in Europe is a café espresso, which is a 30ml shot of pure coffee served in a 50-100ml white china demitasse.