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Hours before the first major elections since  Donald Trump’s win last November, Sen. Bernie Sanders offered a stern warning for Democrats about the party’s closed-door talks to end the shutdown.

Inside a tense, three-hour meeting at the Capitol on Tuesday, a fiery Sanders urged Democrats not to yield to Republicans without a real victory on health care. The Vermont independent was armed with fresh polling from a Democratic-aligned firm that showed voters would punish the party for giving up with nothing in return, according to a person familiar with his remarks.

By Wednesday morning, Sanders and his colleagues in Congress pointed to Democrats’ blow-out victories — including in Virginia, a state with thousands of furloughed federal workers — as the most powerful evidence yet they needed to keep fighting.

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[–] fonix232@fedia.io 84 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Just for a moment imagine if he ran against the orange turd in 2016 instead of Hillary, and WON.

Imagine the US not being international laughing stock between 2017 and 2021. COVID being handled properly, with a newly reformed healthcare system actually taking care of people, making your country one of the first to get out of endless lockdowns and furloughs, no record breaking death numbers and so on.

[–] 13igTyme@piefed.social 32 points 14 hours ago

Take me to Carter's second term and the heritage foundation losing money on Reagan.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 23 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Well... Yes, but let's not forget he'd still get hamstrung by his own Congress even with Dems in power. They wouldn't even pass Biden's milquetoast agenda. Your fantasy needs to involve a populous that actually understands that Congress primaries matter, which is even more farfetched, unfortunately.

[–] fonix232@fedia.io 28 points 14 hours ago

I'd like to think that Bernie winning the primaries would've actually energised the left wing of the US. Most of the apathy not just in the US, but all over the (western) world stems from the fact that the right always has a charismatic populist mouthpiece while the left keeps bringing out all the old, broken records, pushing actual trailblazers to the back.

With what support Bernie had, he could've easily moved tons more voters than Hillary could've ever dreamt of. Not just in the presidential election but all the other House and Senate and governor and state senate and mayoral votes.

But let's presume that didn't happen and Bernie is now POTUS with the same level of support as Biden had in 2020-2024, and with the same congressional setup as you guys ended up with in 2016.

The reason why Biden's milquetoast agenda didn't go anywhere was because he already did 50-60% of what the conservatives wanted, and readily negotiated the remaining 40-50% down to 10% just to get things passed. Of course that would barely move things anywhere.

Now think, if Bernie came out with an absurdly social-democrat plan/bill. 100% opposite of what Rs want. Even if THAT gets negotiated down to 10% to get past... that's still a thousand times more progress for left agenda than Biden could've ever hoped to achieve.

[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 1 points 34 minutes ago

Worst part about that scenario is we wouldn't know how good we had it. We couldn't have imagined this shit storm clusterfuck timeline.