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I keep waffling on Proxmox. Sell me. For or against. (lemmy.world)

submitted 3 days ago by chazwhiz@lemmy.world to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world

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In the next ~6 months I’m going to entirely overhaul my setup. Today I have a NUC6i3 running Home Assistant OS, and a NUC8i7 running OpenMediaVault with all the usual suspects via Docker.

I want to upgrade hardware significantly, partially because I’d like to bring in some local LLM. Nothing crazy, 1-8B models hitting 50tps would make me happy. But even that is going to mean a beefy machine compared to today, which will be nice for everything else too of course.

I’m still all over the place on hardware, part of what I’m trying to decide is whether to go with a single machine for everything or keep them separate.

Idea 1 is a beefy machine and Proxmox with HA in a VM, OMV or TrueNAS in another, and maybe a 3rd straight Debian to separate all the Docker stuff. But I don’t know if I want to add the complexity.

Idea 2 would be beefy machine for straight OMV/TrueNAS and run most stuff there, and then just move HA over to the existing i7 for more breathing room (mostly for Frigate, which could also separate to other machine I guess).

I hear a lot of great things about Proxmox, but I’m not sold that it’s worth the new complexity for me. And keeping HA (which is “critical” compared to everything else) separated feels like a smart choice. But keeping it on aging hardware diminishes that anyway, so I don’t know.

Just wanting to hear various opinions I guess.

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[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Don't use Proxmox, use incus. It's way easier to run and doesn't give a care about your storage.

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No backup utility like PBS though, thats why I haven't switched.

[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Like I said, incus don't care about your storage.

I've never used PBS, I've always just rolled my own. I currently keep 7 daily, 4 weekly and 4 monthly. My data mounts are all nfsv4.

Edit: isnt it possible to use pbs with non-proxmox systems?

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah it sounds nice but too much time investment for me.

I can install PBS client on any system but it requires manual setup and scheduling which I don't want to do. When used with Proxmox that's all handled for me.

Also I don't think Proxmox cares about storage either, I just use ZFS which is completely standard under the hood.

[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Also I don't think Proxmox cares about storage either,

Proxmox forces you to add a "storage area", which is fine, except you must use their mount path of /mnt/pve/ and you must add NFS tuning switches via pve or they don't work.

Proxmox is great, I used it for 8 years. But it is also opinionated and doesn't like non-standard configs.

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago

Oh I see what you mean yeah, I've never used NFS before with it.

[–] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago

I like Incus a lot, but it's not as easy to create complex virtual networksnas it is with proxmox, which is frustrating in educational/learning environments.