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Two Illinois National Guard members told CBS News they would refuse to obey federal orders to deploy in Chicago as part of President Trump's controversial immigration enforcement mission — a rare act of open defiance from within the military ranks.

"It's disheartening to be forced to go against your community members and your neighbors," said Staff Sgt. Demi Palecek, a Latina guardswoman and state legislative candidate from Illinois's 13th District. "It feels illegal. This is not what we signed up to do."

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So killing students at Kent State was lawful, and bayonetting others at UMN?

Whew..good thing they changed that law.

[–] teft@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There was no order to fire in that incident. The guardsmen opened fire because they were"scared for their lives". That narrative has been questioned because it isn't plausible but no one ever gave an order to shoot.

Edit: I didn't see you mentioned UNM bayonetting too but after looking at that one it seems like that also didn't have an order to bayonet people. If you approach a soldier with a bayonet out who is there for riot control you might get stabbed. It's not right but it's a fact. That's just the self defense mentality of soldiers.

It's the main reason you shouldn't use soldiers in policing actions because generally we are trained to kill, not to talk nicely to people. But it's also why you train soldiers to only follow legal orders.