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[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 2 points 4 days ago (13 children)

I provided stories that you have been unable to disprove.

You can't disprove anonymous testimonies, that's why the entire Amnesty International report consists of them. From the beginning I asked for independent journalistic work with material evidence, and you've supported your claims with nothing the likes of that. Again, compare that to the evidence for genocide in Palestine.

[–] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (12 children)

On the topic of Palestine, I think it's completely wrong that Palestinian civilians have been killed with Israeli bombs and due to an Israeli starvation campaign. But I think that's a separate issue to whether or not the PRC has mistreated ethnic minorities.

Regarding testimonies, apparently there are several women who have talked about rape and sexual abuse in Xinjiang camps. In the West, when a woman claims she's been raped, people on the left will often say we should believe those women. If we're going to take rape allegations by western women seriously then we should probably take rape allegations by Xinjiang women seriously too.

Also apparently there have been leaked documents from the Chinese government which give details about the Xinjiang camps.

Those last two links are to The New York Times and the BBC, and I guess you'll say they're "fake news" or whatever. I'm pretty sure they're both accurate sources and if they do publish anything false they will usually publish corrections where they admit their mistakes.

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 2 points 3 days ago (10 children)

I accidentally deleted my comment, does it still feature in your inbox so I can copy-paste it instead of rewriting it?

[–] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I found it by clicking on my inbox's RSS feed. If you want to copy it, this is what I can see:

Regarding testimonies, apparently there are several women

There are some isolated testimonies, true. I don’t doubt police violence has taken place, as it does everywhere. Mistreatments of individuals by the police is a recurring phenomenon everywhere in the world, though, and not isolated or specific to China. I condemn the isolated events, but they don’t indicate widespread abuse of prisoners.

Furthermore, testimonies of atrocity propaganda are a well-known tool of the West, such as the infamous Nayirah testimony used to justify the Gulf war. It’s well known that bounties are offered by intelligence agencies to manufacture stories of atrocity propaganda, and so when using testimonies one has to be careful for generalizing. It’s better to refer to independent material evidence, of which essentially none exists for any ongoing mistreatment of Uyghurs.

The “leaked documents” feature internal communications of the party talking about adopting a strong stance against terrorism following the radical islamist terrorist attacks in 2013-onwards. They show no proof of mass mistreatment of Uyghurs, and the whole thing is more of a nothingburger consisting of a few questionably translated bold claims by government officials.

The New York Crimes and the BBC have been complicit over the past years in the whitewashing of the genocidal state of Israel, which has proven that beyond ethical journalism, they’re underpinned by supporting the US-aligned geopolitical narratives.

I will read through it now.

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